Joe Rogan Experience #2293 - Chris Williamson

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0:24 glasses well these are requests by you

0:26 so I can wear what I want you've been

0:28 wearing them a lot i like them yeah yeah

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0:32 Instagram filter for the entire world so

0:34 everything feels It's a little rosy i

0:36 had I had a pair of rosecolored glasses

0:37 before and I got it i was like "Oh I get

0:39 it it is better this way." It's nicer

0:41 yeah yeah it's like a full uh Dude I got

0:43 I I need to show you this so okay what

0:45 is this have a little open of that so

0:47 you'll remember that I sent you a photo

0:50 on iMessage a couple of months ago of a

0:53 friend of mine who was in Antarctica

0:55 yeah and he flew a Comedy Mothership

0:58 lighter out to Antarctica i've been

1:01 reliably told that that lighter was used

1:03 to smoke weed in Antarctica yeah and

1:06 it's touched it was dropped a number of

1:08 times so it's touched ancient perafrost

1:10 [ __ ] yeah uh what kind of laws do they

1:13 have in Antarctica i don't know

1:14 apparently very liberal laws [ __ ] knows

1:17 i don't know i don't there have they

1:18 established laws they were 400 miles in

1:21 whoa uh so this was part of the final

1:23 experiment which was this attempt to try

1:26 and disprove flat earth oh

1:30 he went as a part of that did he bring

1:32 flatearthers is that the deal so four

1:35 flatearthers four globies globes get

1:39 flown to Antarctica it's $35,000 per

1:42 person this guy called Will Duffy put

1:44 the project together flew everybody down

1:47 there did he pay for each person yep yep

1:50 wow uh I think maybe a couple of people

1:52 chose to go self-funded but they were

1:54 trying to get the open offer to all of

1:56 the biggest flat earth influencers

1:59 commentators on the planet i don't know

2:01 what to call how many went four of each

2:04 so four roundies four flatties

2:08 and uh don't you want to see their

2:10 search histories uh maybe the FBI do i

2:12 don't know the the flat people i want to

2:15 see so uh they do this uh in the middle

2:18 of our winter their summer they observe

2:21 the sun above the horizon for 24 hours

2:24 so there's no explanation apparently

2:26 with most of the models of flat Earth

2:27 about how the sun could stay above the

2:29 horizon for 24 hours so they flew down

2:31 they had drones flying in the air they

2:33 had um 24-hour 360 cameras they had live

2:38 stream of iPhones all of this stuff and

2:40 then they had the people that were on

2:41 the ground and the guys that were there

2:44 observed the sun did the flatearthers

2:46 switch stances so three three did and

2:49 one didn't this is just a drone i was

2:52 just showing you footage oh this is

2:53 drone footage yeah so the the final

2:55 experiment so those are apparently

2:57 mountain tops

2:59 but they're submerged it's just all ice

3:02 that is so [ __ ] hardcore

3:05 cuz you know there's a bunch of things

3:06 up there that look like pyramids and

3:08 what it really is is just an unusual

3:11 peak of an enormous mountain have you

3:14 seen the Antarctic pyramids yeah you got

3:16 to go all in on that okay [ __ ] We

3:20 have hard launched hard launched this

3:22 episode people that believe wild [ __ ]

3:24 about

3:25 Antarctica so you know about the direct

3:27 energy weapon theory right yes I did see

3:29 that on Shawn Ryan's show yes I did as

3:31 well i was like that guy's [ __ ]

3:33 really interesting yeah it's like he

3:37 sounds really interesting but if I want

3:39 to sit him next to Eric Weinstein you

3:41 know what I'm saying like is any is

3:43 anything this guy's saying make any

3:45 sense because I've I've done that before

3:47 with Eric with one guy who was a

3:48 fraudster i sent him a video and I said

3:51 "Tell me if this is gobbly [ __ ] or if

3:53 this is like real physics." Eric to

3:55 stress test some guy's ideas of course

3:57 he loves it he lo he loves any sort of

3:59 intellectual stimulation and especially

4:01 if it's like mathematics or physics or

4:03 something where it's his wheelhouse and

4:06 you know he's great because you can

4:07 someone can sound really good to me you

4:11 know they they can start quoting thermal

4:14 dynamics finessing you through whatever

4:16 their problem is like like chiropractors

4:18 do you know chiropractors use all these

4:20 crazy weird terms for musculature and

4:23 and different insertion points is to let

4:26 you know that they have a comprehensive

4:28 understanding of the body that's far

4:30 beyond yours Chris and this is the same

4:33 thing like a lot of fraudsters do

4:35 they'll use enormous language and very

4:38 verbose you know phrases and it's like

4:42 they're just trying

4:43 to get you to think that they're smarter

4:46 than they are yeah i think people use

4:48 sort of complex language and fluency as

4:50 a proxy for truthfulness and insight yes

4:53 and especially when if you're dealing

4:55 with a truly brilliant person they can't

4:57 that's what a pyramid [ __ ] oh this is

4:59 just on Google Maps yeah Jamie you've

5:00 just gone to Google Maps yeah I didn't

5:02 want to go to any I went to the source

5:03 any kooky websites but it does look like

5:05 a pyramid

5:07 well it also looks like all three yeah

5:09 yeah that's crazy but the re the reality

5:12 is that's probably under a couple miles

5:14 of ice

5:16 yeah so this uh final experiment thing

5:18 it sent the world into a spiral there's

5:20 this dude Jarn Campanella who was one of

5:22 the the biggest influencers and he's

5:24 said I saw the sun above the horizon I

5:28 think the earth round and he's

5:30 immediately been the flat earth

5:31 society's just gone into a head spin

5:33 they're saying they didn't really go to

5:35 Antarctica they went to the sphere in

5:37 Vegas was one of the accusations they

5:39 did it at the sphere in Vegas and they

5:40 were tracking it around um the sphere's

5:43 not that big kids yeah well it's not

5:45 that big I've been there's seats

5:47 everywhere you would know you're there i

5:50 don't know i don't know they had a bad

5:52 time um but yeah it's it's that's been

5:55 pretty wild talking of pyramids dude

5:58 this new pyramid [ __ ] that's just come

5:59 out oh this is insane yeah I was going

6:02 to send this to you as well Jamie i'll

6:03 send you one of the most comprehensive

6:05 breakdowns of it on X because it's quite

6:08 stunning so apparently through the use

6:10 of LAR they have discovered that there

6:13 are enormous structures underneath the

6:15 Great Pyramid that go

6:18 kilometers deep into the earth with

6:21 coils so enormous pillars and then these

6:25 coils they don't understand what it is

6:28 because they're all looking they're just

6:29 looking at LAR images but whatever this

6:32 is is a uniform structure there's

6:35 several pillars and uh all of this is

6:38 like very very very weird yeah 600 m

6:43 descending down those cylinders and then

6:45 there's more stuff below it and then

6:46 there's additional structures inside of

6:48 it yeah that was crazy it's really crazy

6:51 there's a guy Jay Anderson and he did uh

6:54 a breakdown of it maybe this would be

6:56 good we could play this um it makes a

7:00 little more sense when someone's

7:02 explaining it to you well yeah i mean we

7:04 need somebody that's an expert here not

7:06 me and you zawi Hawas by the way has

7:07 said it's nonsense so I don't know

7:09 already yes according to Graham Hancock

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9:00 dramatic intro project Unity

9:05 what has just been announced in relation

9:07 to the pyramids at the Giza Plateau and

9:09 the plateau itself is so incredible so

9:13 awe inspiring and narrative shattering

9:16 that I have been sitting here for the

9:18 last hour trying to wrap my head around

9:20 the implications of what we were just

9:22 told so this is pretty much breaking

9:24 news because the new findings were

9:26 announced on the 16th of March at a

9:28 press conference held by the team who

9:30 were studying the Great Pyramid of Giza

9:32 with a non-invasive technology that was

9:35 first developed by uh Filippo Beyond and

9:38 Curado Malanga called synthetic aperture

9:41 radar Doppler tomography [ __ ] that's a

9:44 used to explore the entire of the Great

9:47 Pyramid of Giza and this method

9:49 leverages the analysis of micro

9:51 movements typically generated by

9:54 background seismic activity to achieve a

9:57 highresolution full 3D tomographic

10:00 imagery of the pyramid's interior and

10:03 subsurface components the recent

10:05 findings from deploying this technology

10:08 are nothing short of mindblowing because

10:11 what's been discovered is that there are

10:13 huge structures coming down from the

10:16 base of the pyramid deep into the

10:18 bedrock in fact over 600 m deep which

10:23 then connects to structures that extend

10:26 up to 2 km below the surface of the

10:29 ground 2 km massive internal structures

10:33 connected to the base of the pyramid and

10:35 extending deep deep down this is what we

10:38 know so far what What does your friend

10:41 think about it which friend the one that

10:43 said it's [ __ ] oh it's not my friend

10:46 that's Zawi Hawas okay zi Hawas is the

10:49 head of antiquities in in Egypt he's

10:52 like the head guy that talks to the

10:54 archaeologists and gives the official

10:56 narrative in the pro in the past he's

11:00 been extremely hostile to Graham Hancock

11:02 but Graham Hancock and him and have have

11:03 now become friends oh yes coordinating

11:06 graham is a lovely guy people that like

11:09 are enemies with him just need to get to

11:12 know him and hang out with him he's a

11:15 genuine real human being who's trying to

11:18 find the truth he's He doesn't have fake

11:20 narratives and and he's so sensitive too

11:23 like he's so upset like when when people

11:24 smeared him like the Atlantis thing they

11:27 were trying to say it's a white

11:28 supremacist idea to look for Atlantis

11:30 he's like "What are you talking about?"

11:32 Like "What are you talking about?" Like

11:33 we had this guy Flint Dibble on who in

11:36 an article and he was talking about

11:39 Graham and he's connecting Graham to

11:41 white supremacy and all all this crazy

11:43 [ __ ] because of the Atlantis theory it's

11:46 the way they dismiss at pedestalizes

11:49 white heritage because some people in

11:51 the past some people in the past who

11:53 have theorized about Atlantis had white

11:57 supremacist ideas but also most people

12:00 didn't like Plato didn't like the people

12:03 that talked about this place it's in

12:06 subsaharan Africa I mean it's like the

12:09 least white supremacist discovery of all

12:11 time as are the pyramids this is Africa

12:14 it's the least white supremacist notion

12:17 of all time that this incredibly

12:19 advanced ancient civilization had

12:22 reached some sort of proficiency that's

12:24 above and beyond what we attribute to

12:25 them i think Graham is right and I think

12:29 there's a lot of other people that are

12:30 right too that are chasing this down and

12:33 um Christopher Dunn uh had long ago

12:36 theorized and wrote a book that he

12:38 believes that the Great Pyramid of Giza

12:40 is a gigantic power plant he thinks it

12:43 generates power and he has an a

12:46 very like an like a working theory of

12:50 why it's built the way it's built that

12:53 totally coincides with the ability to

12:56 produce hydrogen the ability to utilize

12:59 the the rays of space and and and try to

13:03 find some way to generate electricity

13:05 through this yeah it's the association

13:08 of other people that we don't like

13:11 talked about this thing therefore

13:12 anybody else that talks about this thing

13:14 is immediately attached to them just

13:15 seems like a very lazy way to sort of

13:17 smear people uh it's it's a it's lazy

13:20 thinking it is it's gross it's it's

13:23 beyond lazy it's not lazy it's really

13:25 cheap it's like they're cheap insults

13:28 and it's also from academia which is so

13:30 disappointing you know i mean academia

13:33 has been so captured by this mind virus

13:36 of leftism that it's just it's so

13:39 bizarre to watch the brightest minds and

13:42 the people that we lean on for rational

13:45 reasonable thinking and an objective

13:49 understanding of the world we we lean on

13:51 the experts and when they're calling

13:53 someone a white supremacist for talking

13:55 about an advanced society that lived in

13:57 Africa there's a lot of ways that you

13:59 can put your foot in it there's this

14:01 woman Corey Clark who sent a survey to

14:04 every psychology professor in the US and

14:08 asked them questions like what is more

14:10 important uh the truth or ensuring that

14:14 uh equity is is promoted and a lot of

14:19 professors basically said I self censor

14:22 i would prioritize making people feel

14:24 good over necessarily telling them the

14:26 truth there are certain uh opinions that

14:28 people should be reported for there are

14:30 certain uh topics that basically

14:31 shouldn't be discussed the the usual

14:33 suspects stuff like behavioral genetics

14:35 so heritability evolutionary psychology

14:38 as in anything that kind of relates to

14:40 sex differences and uh yeah it really is

14:44 retarding the progress of every and you

14:47 think well trickling down from this what

14:50 sort of educated society you're going to

14:53 have in future that's not going to be

14:54 particularly good well I think it's

14:56 going to encourage independent education

14:58 i think you're going to encourage people

15:00 like uh University of Austin which is uh

15:03 they're aiming to do just that and to

15:06 kind of bypass all this nonsense and

15:08 just teach people reality um and I also

15:11 think that it's most

15:15 likely I mean I don't even want to say

15:17 most likely it's most certainly

15:19 influenced by other countries that want

15:21 to degrade our ability to

15:24 develop meaningful minds that come out

15:27 of universities like intelligent useful

15:30 people distract them with social justice

15:33 not just distract them but destroy

15:34 society with them it's Yuri Bzmanov's

15:36 prediction from 1984 it's like you could

15:39 pass that off as a ridiculous conspiracy

15:41 theory I if if it wasn't totally

15:44 accurate it's like it's amazing how

15:47 people don't want to believe that maybe

15:50 um there's been subversion and that

15:52 maybe our universities have been overrun

15:55 for years with both funding which we

15:58 know is true particularly from China

16:00 china funds a lot of American

16:02 universities they do they give a lot of

16:04 grants they spent a lot of money and

16:06 this was the this was a part of the

16:07 whole thing with George W or not George

16:10 W excuse me um with Joe Biden's bizarre

16:13 job that he had where he was a professor

16:16 that he never showed up for classes and

16:18 he was teaching and he he got a mob

16:21 teaching job he he got a mob no-show job

16:24 teaching as a professor yeah as a

16:26 professor and I think he got a million

16:27 dollars a year to just do nothing do you

16:29 know that uh question that people ask

16:31 about I know how much he got i don't

16:32 want to get sued by man um

16:36 uh he doesn't know what's going on he

16:38 doesn't know what's going on well he

16:39 might auto sign the legal papers um

16:42 there's that question about there's two

16:44 options about um life in the universe

16:46 that either we're alone or that we're

16:48 not and both are equally terrifying

16:49 right right i feel like it's the same

16:52 when it comes

16:53 to western anti-westernism and you say

16:57 either we're doing it to ourselves or

16:59 we're not right and both are equally

17:01 terrifying you know you're being

17:03 puppeted by this nefarious foreign power

17:06 or you're just turning around and

17:08 kicking the ball into the your own goal

17:10 over and over again well I think people

17:12 will turn around and kick the ball into

17:14 their own goal but I also think they're

17:16 being helped i think there's a

17:18 substantial amount of this that just

17:20 works automatically it it pres upon

17:25 really weak minds and particularly

17:27 bullies and mean people who want to find

17:30 other people that they can hate to

17:33 justify like whatever virtue they

17:35 believe that they have above those

17:36 people and and they'll use it to hate

17:39 and uh John Cles made a great video

17:43 about this why extremism is so

17:45 interesting it's on my Instagram i uh I

17:48 reposted it the other day someone posted

17:49 it we'll give them credit for it but

17:51 it's a great clip from John Cleas from

17:54 30 years ago from 30 years ago and it in

17:58 preocial media there is no social media

18:00 at this time and he essentially nails

18:03 what's going on with both the right-wing

18:06 extremists and the left-wing extremists

18:09 it's the same thing they're the same

18:10 people they're finding a thing click

18:12 click this we've heard a lot about

18:14 extremism recently a nastier harsher

18:17 atmosphere everywhere more abuse and

18:19 bother boy behavior less friendliness

18:21 and tolerance and respect for opponents

18:23 all right but what we never hear about

18:26 extremism is its

18:28 advantages well the biggest advantage of

18:30 extremism is that it makes you feel good

18:34 because it provides you with enemies let

18:37 me explain the great thing about having

18:40 enemies is that you can pretend that all

18:42 the badness in the whole world is in

18:44 your enemies and all the goodness in the

18:46 whole world is in you attractive isn't

18:49 it so if you have a lot of anger and

18:51 resentment in you anyway and you

18:53 therefore enjoy abusing people then you

18:55 can pretend that you're only doing it

18:57 because these enemies of yours are such

18:59 very bad persons and that if it wasn't

19:02 for them you'd actually be good-natured

19:04 and courteous and rational all the time

19:07 so if you want to feel good become an

19:10 extremist okay now you have a choice if

19:13 you join the hard left they'll give you

19:16 their list of authorized enemies almost

19:18 all kinds of authority especially the

19:20 police the city Americans judges

19:24 multinational corporations public

19:27 schools friers newspaper owners fox

19:30 hunters generals class traers and of

19:34 course moderates

19:36 or if you'd rather be an extremist on

19:38 the hard right I bet the moderates are

19:40 in their get a loveliness of enemies

19:42 only they're different ones noisy

19:43 minority groups unions Russia weirdos

19:48 demonstrators welfare sponges medals

19:51 clergy peace the BBC strikers social

19:56 workers communists and of course

19:59 moderates and upstart actors now once

20:03 you're armed with one of these super

20:05 lists of enemies you can be as nasty as

20:07 you like and yet feel your behaviors

20:09 morally justified so you can strut

20:11 around abusing people and telling them

20:14 you could eat them for breakfast and

20:15 still think of yourself as a champion of

20:17 the truth a a fighter for the greater

20:19 good and not the rather sad paranoid

20:22 skitsoid that you really are seriously

20:24 brilliant brilliant so good brilliant

20:27 yeah i remember preocial media but the

20:30 dynamic is still the same right it's

20:32 just amplified now so much so that it's

20:33 a part of everyone's life so many

20:35 people's morality stands on the

20:37 shoulders of somebody that's fallen

20:38 behind right it's look at how much look

20:41 at how bad that person is don't you

20:43 don't need to look at me and I think

20:45 that if people start pointing at out

20:48 groups and they bind their group

20:50 together over the mutual hatred of an

20:51 out group that's usually an indication

20:53 I'm like I should look a little bit

20:55 closer at you like it might be a good

20:59 example

21:01 lizo didn't think I was going to go

21:03 there lizo um talking about how she was

21:07 in support of these bigger girls and she

21:09 was going to help their careers and give

21:11 them a platform presumably a

21:13 structurally reinforced platform

21:17 um meanwhile behind the scenes she's

21:20 body shaming them she's starving them

21:22 she's not letting them have water apart

21:24 from when she makes them eat bananas out

21:25 of the vaginas of Amsterdam strippers

21:28 douglas Murray said that she she thought

21:30 that she could outsource eating fruit to

21:31 somebody else

21:40 um and meanwhile you think she's

21:42 portraying nicy nicy out front what's

21:45 happening behind the scenes i remember

21:46 this this was pre um uh Yeah please uh

21:50 this was pre Thank you

21:56 uh pre-Trump Elon uh really pre-Trump

21:59 Elon and um he was saying thank you very

22:01 much and uh he was saying "What I care

22:04 about is doing good not the appearance

22:06 of it." Yes and he's discussing

22:08 performative empathy in this way this

22:11 sort of sense that what's most important

22:13 is to protect people's feelings and I

22:15 think that this really is a point it

22:17 doesn't matter whether you're on left or

22:18 right this is a point that you should

22:20 care about because you want people to

22:21 have some sense of transparency

22:24 legitimacy they want to be telling the

22:25 truth you want to trust that what

22:26 someone is saying to you is actually

22:28 what they believe yes and he said "What

22:32 I care about is doing good not the

22:34 appearance of it there are lots of

22:35 people who are doing evil while

22:36 proclaiming that they're doing good."

22:38 And you know that's the same that you're

22:40 talking about there with John Cle you're

22:42 saying these people's morality will

22:45 stand on the shoulders of others who

22:46 have fallen behind it's the same reason

22:48 why if somebody's in the middle of a

22:49 scandal look at who comes out and twists

22:51 the knife a lot do you go "Huh I wonder

22:55 what's in your It's the classic

22:57 congressman that's got the anti-gay

22:59 bill." Oh yeah who's just gay as [ __ ]

23:02 yeah yeah glory holes and you know check

23:06 his hard drive that's the person whose

23:07 hard drive yeah so um yeah I it's it's

23:11 just such an obvious warning sign to me

23:14 that what's happening inside of someone

23:16 is probably not that good yeah i mean if

23:20 you're looking to destroy someone

23:22 particularly like you're you're

23:25 attacking someone online particularly

23:27 almost all of those people are deeply

23:29 broken there's there's always some

23:32 creepiness that lurks behind the scenes

23:34 that you're trying to cover up for with

23:36 your actions almost always you're trying

23:38 to put the light on this person the

23:40 you're going to put the eye of Sauron on

23:42 this person to keep it off yourself i've

23:45 seen that a lot of you know

23:47 self-proclaimed male feminists that

23:50 sneaky [ __ ] yeah that I know to be

23:51 creeps you know and I'm like "Ew." And

23:54 I'll see them attacking some other guy

23:56 and I'm like "Oh god." I don't dive in

23:59 but I want to sometimes

24:02 sometimes I want to just burn the boats

24:04 and pull the [ __ ] pins on the

24:06 grenades you know what I don't like

24:08 about that sort of level of aggressive

24:09 criticism i think I'm uh you could

24:12 describe me as a criticism

24:13 hyperresponder i'm someone for whom it

24:15 it probably impacts me more than it

24:17 should do certainly more than it should

24:18 do for someone who gets as the level of

24:20 attention that I've managed to get

24:22 myself to now right um and what I don't

24:25 like about it is it causes people like

24:28 me to be way less confident in their own

24:31 positions because you think "Oh well

24:33 most people if if it was me I would only

24:35 give feedback if I was really certain

24:36 and if I had this person's best

24:37 interests at heart and if I wanted them

24:39 to do better and if I actually knew what

24:40 I was talking about then I would tell

24:42 this person what I think about them and

24:44 what I think about what they're saying."

24:45 Right and if you apply that rubric to

24:47 everybody else that gives you criticism

24:49 you give uh undue unfair expertise and

24:53 uh legitimacy to people who don't have

24:55 your best interests at heart they don't

24:57 understand what you're trying to do they

24:58 don't care about you they don't get it

25:00 and uh it causes a lot of people

25:03 basically I think that criticism killed

25:06 more dreams than a lack of competence

25:07 ever did because people are just I'm

25:10 worried about pushing these boundaries

25:11 too much this person all of my friends

25:14 tell me the truth why isn't this person

25:15 on the internet uh there's this idea

25:17 from Ethan Cross called criticism

25:18 capture so you'll have heard of audience

25:20 capture right where a creator starts

25:22 feeding red meat to the audience it

25:24 becomes very predictable criticism

25:26 capture basically says it's not the

25:29 compliments but the criticisms that are

25:31 more warping that over time what you end

25:34 up doing is changing the way that you

25:37 speak you become uh flame sword flaming

25:42 sword wielding card carrying member

25:44 that's as aggressive as possible to push

25:46 back against it or you go the other way

25:48 and you begin to caveat very

25:49 aggressively you start to dampen down

25:51 all of your opinions so that nobody can

25:52 take offense to them you have these

25:54 unnecessarily long uh sort of diet

25:56 tribes this sort of weird land

25:57 acknowledgement well we must remember

25:59 that women are struggling with the thing

26:00 and we have to the memories but now

26:02 we've got that out of the way let's talk

26:03 about men's problems or whatever it

26:04 might be and uh yeah I

26:08 think I I just wish that the internet

26:10 was a little bit more positive some as

26:12 opposed to negative some and I

26:13 understand that people bind together

26:14 over mutual hatreds of out groups like

26:16 the oldest story in human history is

26:18 that group of people are different to us

26:20 let's get them the oldest story in

26:22 history i mean it's uh it's tribal

26:25 genetics it's like baked into our DNA

26:28 literally and it can be manipulated and

26:32 when people are doing it and they're

26:33 doing it w with a very

26:36 obvious distortion of your actual

26:39 position just to label you as the worst

26:42 possible least charitable version of you

26:45 that could ever

26:47 be remotely considered do you see that

26:52 all the time where people are just

26:53 trying to distort a narrative you're

26:55 seeing that right now with Elon right

26:57 you're you're seeing people justify

27:00 violence and extreme vandalism and

27:04 you're seeing people cheer it on and

27:05 it's very strange there was a a thing on

27:08 the Daily Show where the host was

27:10 talking about the attacks on Tesla and

27:14 people keying people's and the audience

27:16 starts clapping and cheering it's so

27:19 strange it's so [ __ ] strange

27:23 and it's also just shows you how

27:25 positions just completely flip-flop like

27:27 the Tesla used to be the car that you

27:29 drove to let everybody know that you

27:31 were environmentally conscious and you

27:32 were a good leftist it's a good question

27:34 do we care about the environment or not

27:35 because those fumes that are being

27:36 kicked out of that that's not good a

27:39 thousand jet airplanes flying overhead

27:41 for a year yeah yeah yeah yeah it's It's

27:44 wild you're lighting batteries on fire

27:46 they're so toxic lithium and all sorts

27:49 of [ __ ] getting pissed into the

27:50 environment oh it's all going to come

27:51 down and rain it's going to pollute the

27:53 water the fish are going to be polluted

27:55 you're not going to be able to eat them

27:56 but we're doing good this is for a

27:57 righteous cause yeah and it's all funded

28:00 too it's funded by NOS's that's where it

28:03 gets really crazy the Tesla fires are

28:04 funded by NOS's yeah people are

28:06 uncovering exactly what's going on and

28:08 this is where um this is where it gets

28:11 fascinating because all the stuff has

28:13 operated pretty much with impunity in

28:15 the past before Doge before uh Elon and

28:18 his uh crew of hyperspectrum psychopaths

28:22 started [ __ ] Teenage Mutant Ninja

28:24 Turtles super wizards started diving

28:27 into all this data um and this is

28:30 something that Ted Cruz talked about he

28:32 said "We had always known that there was

28:33 these problems but until Elon came along

28:36 with these algorithms we couldn't expose

28:38 them we didn't understand what was going

28:39 on and now they've used AI to create

28:43 this understanding of the net of NOS's

28:47 that is all funded

28:50 by US aid and by similar type programs

28:54 where you know you kind of have these

28:55 open-ended checks that get written to

28:58 other side other side that's the top

29:00 yeah right there how often you smoke

29:03 cigars fella couple of times well I

29:04 [ __ ] turned this around the wrong way

29:06 all right no worries keep going but this

29:09 is this is the essentially the way Mike

29:12 Benz describes it he's the very best at

29:13 it i don't know if you ever seen his his

29:16 breakdowns of uh US aid i love his

29:18 episodes on here incredible so

29:20 interesting they're so interesting cuz

29:21 you realize like this has been going on

29:23 forever and ever and ever and this is

29:24 this is the arm of the government that

29:29 is about regime change a lot of the

29:32 money gets funneled into these other

29:33 countries and it's under the guise of

29:35 you know air quotes aid but it's not aid

29:38 it's agency for international

29:40 development and it's it's all about

29:43 influence and power all throughout the

29:45 world and and also at home and one of

29:47 the things that it does at home is they

29:49 organize these protests they organize

29:51 protests different NOS's do all funded

29:54 by the government all funded by taxpayer

29:56 money in this weird way and when they do

29:59 it they pay people to show up at these

30:02 places uh I've got pamphlets that people

30:05 have given me that they've taken from

30:06 these these locations or gotten from

30:09 email lists where is that purposefully

30:11 no digital record i I think probably but

30:14 I don't think they care i mean I think

30:15 as long as they're saying they're going

30:16 to pay you to protest I think that's

30:19 legal i think it's legal to pay someone

30:21 to protest so they're paying people

30:23 $1,000 and they're giving them food and

30:25 snacks and you can get a lot of people

30:27 to just show up for a thousand bucks and

30:30 then some of them are going to get a

30:32 little vandally some of them bring

30:35 enough people together and they get

30:36 vandally how crazy is it that the left

30:39 are the ones who are painting swastikas

30:41 on cars just understand how crazy

30:45 positions can flip and flop the left is

30:48 upset that we're not continuing an

30:50 endless war in Ukraine the left is upset

30:53 that this guy is uncovering fraud and

30:56 waste and so in order to stop that you

30:59 must light cars on fire and put

31:02 swastikas on them because he's a Nazi

31:06 cuz he said "My heart goes out to you."

31:08 Even though there's countless videos of

31:11 AOC doing that gesture Tim Walsh doing

31:14 that gesture enthusiastically

31:16 many many people i do think if you're in

31:18 that position if you've got this

31:20 heritage coming in just be careful with

31:22 where you put your hands do you know

31:23 what I mean like just [ __ ] think

31:25 about where you put your hands he's you

31:28 know he's on the spectrum man he's not

31:30 normal you seen that video comparing him

31:32 and Trump's son there's two different

31:34 types of autism have you seen this no I

31:36 haven't oh my god it's so good i think

31:38 it's at the is it the inauguration and

31:41 uh they're both stood next to each other

31:43 and Elon's sort of fist pumping and

31:45 loving it and uh Trump's son's just like

31:48 staring off apparently Trump's son went

31:50 up to Biden at the inauguration and said

31:52 it's on now

31:54 what is this a [ __ ] UFC fight i mean

31:57 that's literally apparently lip readers

31:59 have like read what he said when he went

32:02 up to cuz there's a moment where he goes

32:05 up to Biden and Biden looks confused and

32:07 he doesn't smile is like but he walks up

32:10 to it's on now well they need to do you

32:13 know how football coaches have got they

32:15 put the the play thing over the front of

32:17 their mouth like this and they talk into

32:19 it that's how it needs to be done now

32:20 for politics with lip readers everywhere

32:22 that kid knew there was lip readers i

32:24 don't think he gave a [ __ ] i think they

32:25 tried to put his dad in jail and he

32:26 wants to kill that guy that's what I

32:28 think he's like "Fuck you." Cuz imagine

32:31 your dad's getting that close to put in

32:33 jail for [ __ ] for the rest of his

32:35 life like if he got put in jail for 25

32:37 to life he's dead he's dead he dies in

32:40 jail he's going to get no food he's

32:42 going to be no nutrition no sunlight

32:45 depression intense [ __ ] anxiety

32:48 you're in jail you're dead he's 80 years

32:50 old he's not going to last to 105 in

32:52 jail there was a video from Forbes

32:54 recently that got a million plays in a

32:56 day talking about Trump getting like

32:59 bopped on the nose by a boomer yeah by a

33:02 little boomer he just did a little boop

33:04 on the nose i I have to say I have such

33:08 [ __ ] news politics fatigue already

33:11 we're what two months into the the sort

33:14 of presidency and it is the velocity of

33:18 [ __ ] if you can get a million plays

33:20 in a day because Trump got bopped on the

33:23 nose by a [ __ ] boom mic it just the

33:26 the appetite is it seems endless for it

33:30 it just feels it's very it's exhausting

33:32 i'm kind of having to check out and I

33:34 know that people say "Oh well it's a

33:35 luxurious position you don't need to pay

33:37 attention to politics it's a luxurious

33:38 position for you to be in people at the

33:40 bottom they do need to pay pay attention

33:42 to politics." It's an interesting stat

33:44 because actually the most educated

33:45 wealthiest people are the ones that

33:46 spend the most time consuming news and

33:48 talking about politics the people at the

33:49 bottom rung of the ladder that don't so

33:52 that's not true i'm just [ __ ]

33:54 exhausted i'm so You're allowed to be

33:56 exhausted

33:57 it's

33:59 ridicul wrote an article about how one

34:03 of the names of one of our podcast

34:05 guests who's a good friend of mine

34:07 Michael Costa his name was misspelled

34:11 accidentally on the feed on the feed

34:14 your on Newsweek is that you Jamie it

34:17 wasn't even misspelled i don't know it

34:18 was misc capitalized it's a particular

34:21 letter had a capitalization too i don't

34:24 The defense rests its case here it

34:26 wasn't even misspelled right it was M

34:28 capital I Michael Costa

34:32 like me ka or something okay a headline

34:36 it's a a [ __ ] article in Newsweek you

34:39 ever think that your career would result

34:41 in you having typos for a headline Jamie

34:44 i can't i don't even know which ones

34:45 we've missed i'm sure there's been other

34:46 ones that's just the first one 100% we

34:49 happens it happens people make mistakes

34:51 you're typing things in yeah but the

34:53 fact that it's an article that we're

34:54 being called out for a typo

34:58 must be that's an art but it's just

35:00 anything for clicks man week for news

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36:25 dkg.co/audio think for clicks that was

36:27 something that I noticed a trend that

36:29 I've noticed over the last couple of

36:31 years um legacy media is really

36:33 struggling to garner attention itself it

36:37 seems like fewer and fewer people are

36:38 listening to it we saw that over the

36:40 last election you know it seems to me

36:43 like the best way that legacy media can

36:45 gain traffic is to talk about

36:47 independent media how many times are we

36:51 seeing headlines about Andrew Hubman or

36:54 about the rightwing manosphere pipeline

36:56 and how it's getting people to do this

36:58 or the other side like why is there not

37:00 a Joe Rogan of the left like you know

37:01 whatever the whatever the headline is

37:03 more and more the way that legacy media

37:05 is able to achieve traffic is only in

37:08 reference to independent media yes so

37:11 then as opposed to us being downstream

37:13 from them they're now downstream from us

37:15 yeah and anything masculine is

37:17 right-wing anything you cannot be

37:20 masculine like you cannot be interested

37:23 in physical fitness anything it's a

37:25 pipeline to being rightwing yes uh you

37:28 can't like fast cars nope you're you're

37:30 not allowed to You're not even allowed

37:32 to like Teslas anymore which are the

37:34 fastest cars yeah you're a misogynist

37:36 you're probably racist maybe a Nazi i'm

37:39 gonna put a swastig on your car just to

37:40 let everybody know

37:44 it's there was a really [ __ ] stupid

37:46 graph that someone put up of how

37:49 right-wing uh social media and new media

37:53 people That was the media matters study

37:55 yeah this is interesting i was at the

37:57 top of the list i was at the top of the

37:59 list and I was like I feel like the way

38:01 Caitlyn Jenner must have felt like when

38:02 she won women of the year like it's so

38:06 quick I got to the top of the list i'm

38:09 not even rightwing just cuz I support

38:12 Trump i supported him over the rest of

38:14 the [ __ ] nonsense that was going on

38:17 when you're trying to push through

38:17 someone without even a primary there it

38:19 is this is it i'm number one [ __ ]

38:22 it's kind of funny like they're putting

38:24 Theo Vaughn in there lex Freedman yeah

38:26 that's Lex Freriedman that's hilarious

38:28 to put him in there who else they have

38:30 in there that's ridiculous pierce Morgan

38:32 well Pierce Morgan is kind of light

38:35 right leaning I think but but I think

38:37 he's pretty reasonable i think he's far

38:41 more of a centrist kill Tony 3.5

38:45 i still don't understand how that's a

38:47 political show it's not but Tony you

38:50 know was at the um White House or the um

38:53 Flagrant 2.8 yeah flagrant is not a

38:56 right-wing show you [ __ ] idiots they

38:58 have a bunch of red dots too with no

38:59 names on them which is And then blue

39:01 you're allowed to shut up Jamie stop

39:02 being names i managed to thread I

39:04 managed to thread the needle of avoiding

39:05 this you're going to get on there now

39:08 they're going to put you on now Jamie

39:11 those red ones are real just shut up no

39:13 I'm just I don't know no they're real

39:15 they're all real there's a couple blue

39:16 ones that are real too the name i don't

39:18 know [ __ ] the name

39:20 they're too little to give too small no

39:21 one cares no one gets It's hilarious

39:24 it's very funny what what do you think

39:26 of the or if you got a proposed reason

39:29 for why this is it just a a judgment

39:32 criteria that they're judging shows that

39:34 aren't right-wing as rightwing or is it

39:36 genuinely that for some reason the left

39:38 is struggling to make progress in

39:40 independent media well they're

39:42 struggling to make progress in

39:43 independent media for sure they're

39:45 trying to figure out why they're trying

39:46 to figure out why these what they are

39:49 calling right-wing i think if you looked

39:51 at all my positions I think way more of

39:54 them are leftwing than rightwing what

39:56 are the leftwing positions that you

39:57 still hold well the big one is having

40:00 some sort of a social safety net i was

40:03 on welfare when I was a kid my family

40:05 was on food stamps we were [ __ ] poor

40:07 as [ __ ] and I remember that helping us a

40:11 lot we had food where I don't know what

40:14 we would be doing if we did i mean we we

40:17 were in a bad place and there's social

40:20 safety nets for people my my family got

40:22 out of that and my stepfather and my

40:24 mother wind up doing well they did they

40:26 did really great and they they got out

40:29 of debt and bought a house and great job

40:32 and the whole deal but when I was a

40:33 little boy we were [ __ ] and I think

40:37 social safety nets are very important

40:39 for people it's very it's very important

40:41 for society if you care about people you

40:43 care about the whole society you don't

40:44 want people starving when there's ways

40:47 to develop government programs to make

40:50 sure people have food and I think that's

40:54 this idea of pull them up by their

40:56 bootstraps is horseshit some people

40:58 don't have boots they don't have straps

41:01 they don't have nothing they're they're

41:02 [ __ ] they're [ __ ] from the moment

41:04 they were born and they were born into a

41:06 bad family environment in a bad

41:08 neighborhood and crime and gangs and

41:10 drugs and it's not even playing field

41:14 where are you at with healthcare i think

41:17 healthcare 100% should be socially

41:20 funded um I think that Medicare and

41:23 Medicaid having programs where people

41:25 who are hurt can get an operation and

41:28 it's not going to bankrupt them for the

41:30 the rest of their life is another thing

41:31 that I think society should be it should

41:35 be a part of our agreement to take care

41:37 of each other as a community that we

41:39 chip in money for what people would

41:42 think of as socialist positions and I

41:44 always bring up the fire department

41:45 because the fire department is one of

41:46 the best examples that everybody sort of

41:48 agrees it's a socialist sort of thing

41:51 you give your tax dollars the tax dollar

41:54 supports the fire department the fire

41:55 department fairly puts out fires for

41:57 everybody they don't not put out your

41:59 fire they don't have any money it's not

42:01 like they don't the fires don't such a

42:03 good example but when you compare that

42:05 to the way that medical access is done

42:07 at least in this country but I also

42:10 believe in competition i've said this

42:11 before I'll say it again i want my

42:13 doctor to be a bad [ __ ] who

42:15 drives a Mercedes i want my doctor to

42:17 like be really good i want him to be an

42:18 artist you know i want to go to the guy

42:20 who fixes the Lakers knees you know

42:22 that's the guy you want you want that

42:24 guy who has a nice watch and he lives in

42:25 a nice house and he kicks ass and he

42:27 knows how to [ __ ] fix people really

42:29 well he's the best at it and you go to

42:31 him and you get an operation and you're

42:33 [ __ ] golden that's what you want when

42:36 you you want competition because

42:38 competition inspires excellence you know

42:41 being rewarded for your hard work is a a

42:45 giant incentive for people to get

42:46 amazing at things and you need that you

42:49 need that too but there's also a lot of

42:53 very good doctors who would be very

42:56 happy to do something that helps the

43:00 overall greater good of the community

43:02 just like you have really good criminal

43:04 defense attorneys that are you know

43:07 assigned to you if you're uh you know if

43:10 you're getting unjustly tried and you

43:13 want a really good one that can help you

43:15 you know there's there's stateappointed

43:17 attorneys that are just good people that

43:19 want to help people you know Bill Murray

43:21 was talking about his daughter his

43:22 daughter does that there's you know

43:24 there's room for that with the amount of

43:27 money that we spend on so many things

43:29 that we all agree are [ __ ] and maybe

43:31 some of that could be freed up with some

43:33 of this US aid money that they're

43:35 pulling i mean there's nothing wrong

43:38 with giving people health care like if

43:40 you know anybody that's been injured and

43:42 was bankrupt because they didn't have

43:44 insurance and then they had to get some

43:46 crazy operation and now they have this

43:47 enormous debt and they wind up going

43:49 bankrupt or they're getting chased down

43:50 for the money for the rest of their life

43:52 it's horrible it's the number one cause

43:54 of bankruptcy in America medical debt i

43:56 mean coming from the UK where we've got

43:58 the NHS it feels [ __ ] barbaric it is

44:01 it really does feel barbaric i remember

44:03 I went to New Orleans and I was getting

44:05 this great ghost tour on an evening time

44:06 it's like fun tourist [ __ ] to do in New

44:08 Orleans i do those and uh the guy the

44:11 guide was so good my mother was a Wiccan

44:13 and I don't know if that was true but

44:15 this the tale was lovely anyway and uh

44:18 he was telling me "I've got a a chipped

44:20 wisdom tooth and my girlfriend uh got

44:24 into a car wreck the other day." And he

44:26 basically said he was explaining to me

44:27 about how you can get bankrupted by this

44:29 stuff he's like "If you get hit by a car

44:30 and you don't have insurance you better

44:31 [ __ ] walk it off because if you don't

44:33 that could be the end of essentially the

44:35 beginning of the end of your life."

44:37 And that really I mean that was six

44:39 seven years ago now and it's still like

44:41 it ha that was the most haunting thing

44:42 about the [ __ ] ghost tour was him

44:44 telling me about him telling me about

44:47 the medical debt and then I think the

44:48 reaction to the United Health CEO

44:51 killing as well for me somebody who

44:53 didn't fully understand how many of the

44:55 claims are uh denied uh I think that

44:58 there was an increase by about 30% in

44:59 denial of claims over only the most

45:01 recent period and I just thought guy

45:04 shoots person typically the guy that

45:07 shoots them is in the wrong and the

45:09 reaction on the internet just I I I

45:11 wasn't ready for it and it really sort

45:13 of taught me this undercurrent of

45:17 dissatisfaction that almost everybody in

45:19 America has with the healthare system

45:22 yeah i think it's a quiet epidemic i

45:25 think there's been a lot of people

45:27 massively affected by it and they're

45:29 just steaming just sitting there

45:32 seething just angry waiting for some

45:34 righteous person to come in and do but

45:36 then you see the [ __ ] revolving door

45:39 between the FDA and the pharmaceutical

45:41 drug corporations where these people

45:43 leave and then all a sudden they have

45:44 these amazing jobs at pharmaceutical

45:46 drug companies and they're making

45:47 millions of dollars like how is that

45:49 legal how is this whole thing legal like

45:52 when you realize that doctors are

45:55 incentivized to medicate people they're

45:58 financially incentivized to give people

46:00 certain medications whether it's

46:02 vaccines they get bonuses if they

46:05 vaccinate more than 60% of their clients

46:08 and they lose those bonuses if people

46:10 don't get vaccinated there's like a lot

46:12 of creepy [ __ ] that's involved in

46:14 medicine the FDA ban on compounded ompic

46:18 started yesterday oh it's a ban so so

46:22 you have to get it from the big big

46:23 companies correct i Brighgam taught me

46:25 about this i didn't understand how it

46:27 works if there's a shortage of a drug

46:28 compounding pharmacies are kind of

46:30 allowed to just bypass patents in some

46:33 way and it's like you can produce it and

46:34 you can make it cheaper and more widely

46:36 available because the supply chain's

46:37 [ __ ] or something like that and uh yes

46:39 that would be a good thing for society

46:42 well to make more drugs more widely

46:43 available for cheaper if it's good if

46:45 it's a very important pharmaceutical

46:47 drug that can save people's lives

46:49 imagine imagine not letting

46:51 compoundies make it for people that

46:54 can't get it yeah or can't afford it or

46:56 don't have the insurance for it so yeah

46:57 I mean that that came into effect i

46:58 think Tzepide got popped yesterday and

47:00 then uh partway through April uh

47:03 semiglutide is going to go as well yeah

47:05 that's all just eliminating competition

47:07 right mhm well we need to think you know

47:10 all of the people that are using these

47:11 drugs that are are losing weight with

47:13 them whatever we need to think about who

47:15 the real uh sort of people suffering

47:18 from this situation are who are the

47:19 stock owners of telly health companies

47:22 if you own him or whatever the stocks

47:26 declined by a lot but dude I've been

47:27 thinking so much about OMIC recently and

47:30 um I think the introduction of OMIC

47:33 proves how much of a scam the body

47:35 positivity movement was all along mhm

47:37 you look at the Golden Globes and all of

47:40 the women that were supporting their

47:42 bigger sisters as soon as there was an

47:45 easy route to being able to as to being

47:47 able to become a skeleton they look like

47:49 this look like this guy here

47:52 they all get those sucked in cheeks and

47:54 the eye sockets suck in it looks really

47:57 creepy it was it just shows how flimsy

48:01 your principles are that it was easier

48:03 for you to say "I can't win this

48:06 particular game therefore the game is

48:07 rigged." Like if you can't get what you

48:09 want you have to teach yourself to want

48:10 what you can get and then proclaim to

48:12 everybody else that they should get it

48:13 too yes and uh yeah the Golden Globes

48:16 you just got these [ __ ] skeleton

48:18 [ __ ] walking around and um yeah

48:22 I mean it they women of Hollywood are

48:25 now facing the same dilemma that dudes

48:28 who go to the gym have had for decades

48:31 because it's pointless losing weight

48:32 naturally why would you lose weight

48:34 naturally because everybody's going to

48:35 accuse you of having used as epic in any

48:37 case same thing as a dude if you gain

48:39 weight as a guy and you get jacked

48:41 really jacked if you really discipline

48:42 yourself you know multiple years

48:44 progressive overload time under tension

48:46 hitting your protein goals getting

48:47 enough sleep what your friends and the

48:49 people of the internet will say is "Yeah

48:51 dude easy if you take trend alone." And

48:53 it's the exact same so what is the

48:55 incentive for anybody to lose weight

48:58 naturally now and apart from I have some

49:00 concerns about the drugs and the side

49:01 effects and so on and so forth uh

49:03 socially there is no incentive for you

49:05 to lose weight naturally remember when

49:07 Adele lost all that weight uh-huh i

49:08 think mad at her in the before time she

49:10 did it in the before times dude she did

49:12 it hard yeah she did it the [ __ ] Yeah

49:14 exactly yeah exactly extreme difficulty

49:17 um but yeah now now she's hot do you

49:20 remember when she did that Jamaica thing

49:21 she came out and she had all of her hair

49:23 like done like this

49:24 but uh yeah there's this odd like

49:26 Pascal's wager that you have to make

49:28 where you think I can either lose weight

49:32 normally or without assistance it's

49:34 going to be more difficult and people

49:35 are going to accuse me of using Ompic in

49:36 any case or I can just take it and it'll

49:39 be easier and they'll accuse me of it

49:41 and nothing changes yeah I'm in favor of

49:44 Osmpic for people that are morally

49:46 morbidly obese i think anything that can

49:49 get you on the path and I think if you

49:51 can combine that if you can say "Okay

49:53 this is what I'm doing so I'm going to

49:55 do this and then I'm going to start an

49:57 exercise program." And then you wind up

49:59 losing 30 40 pounds you feel better you

50:02 look better if you can continue this

50:04 exercise program you've at least put a

50:07 healthy thing in your life along with

50:09 ompic i think that's critical because

50:12 also that's can that can mitigate some

50:14 of the negative effects of one of the

50:16 things that we're seeing is that people

50:17 are losing a lot of muscle mass and a

50:19 lot of bone mass as much as 30% of the

50:21 weight that people are losing is muscle

50:23 and bone and um that I think could

50:26 probably be mitigated with regular

50:27 strength training you know you're only

50:29 hearing about this from people that

50:30 aren't strength do not have a fitness

50:32 regime right right but which is the

50:34 majority of these people that need this

50:35 drug that's how they got fat in the

50:36 first place exactly so Johan Hari did a

50:38 really great book on this you've had

50:39 Johan on a bunch of times he wrote this

50:41 book called Magic Pill and he's got just

50:44 a really nice takeaway he says uh if

50:46 you're under BMI of 30 and you're trying

50:48 to lose weight go [ __ ] yourself like if

50:51 you're between 30 and 35 there's

50:53 probably a value judgment you need to

50:55 make and if you're over 35 BMI the

50:57 costbenefit analysis seems to sort of

50:59 work in your favor yeah um yeah people

51:02 are losing more uh muscle and bone mass

51:05 from using OMIC than you would typically

51:07 if you were not using that but I think

51:09 that that's just largely a selection

51:11 criteria for the sort of people that are

51:12 using OMI to help them lose weight that

51:14 they're not having to they're so heavily

51:17 calorierestricted

51:18 that they don't need to have a fitness

51:20 program they don't have to really change

51:22 their diet i learned this Johan taught

51:24 me this thing it's super interesting uh

51:26 gastric band surgery after people have

51:28 that the suicide risk is is pretty high

51:31 and sometimes it's because of these

51:34 surgeons that leave the gauze in or you

51:36 know like leave a scalpel or like a

51:38 [ __ ] cigar end in there's

51:39 complications that can happen physically

51:41 but the other thing that happens is

51:44 these people used food as their coping

51:47 mechanism for how they would feel better

51:50 right and their ability to eat and their

51:52 appetite has gone away but their

51:54 psychological issues have not and they

51:57 don't have a coping mechanism they've no

51:58 longer got this outlet right and then

52:00 there's the issue also you're not going

52:02 to feel as good because your body's not

52:04 absorbing nutrients correctly you're

52:06 missing some of your stomach you know

52:08 it's like your stomach fills up quicker

52:10 because they removed part of it like

52:13 that can't be good just for overall

52:15 metabolic health like you're you're

52:17 you've diminished your body's ability to

52:19 break down food that just can't be good

52:22 and there's other ways to do it there's

52:24 other ways to do it it's like there's a

52:26 gambling term that you got to get better

52:28 the same way you got sick so like say if

52:31 you and I were playing uh pool and we're

52:33 playing for $100 a game okay and you're

52:37 up five games you're up 500 bucks and I

52:40 say "Next game for 500 bucks." And you

52:42 go "No you got to get better the same

52:45 way you got sick." Oh that's interesting

52:47 you can't just win one game and now

52:49 you're even and they're like "Come on

52:51 what are you [ __ ] you scared?" Like no

52:53 that's not how this works you lost one

52:54 at a time you're not getting it all back

52:56 you went down a dark road and you missed

52:58 a lot of shots and now you're [ __ ] and

53:00 I'm not going to let you off the hook

53:01 with one easy thing i might do that if

53:05 it's like "Okay you put up a thousand

53:09 and I'll put up 300."

53:11 We'll see that you stack it in my Yeah

53:13 if you reflect in the odds where we're

53:15 at financially at the moment yeah you

53:16 got to jack it in my favor well I'm

53:18 willing to make a risk yeah yeah it's a

53:21 It's a strange i think another thing

53:23 with OMIC I have this theory that I

53:25 think thin people are more prejudiced

53:27 against people that use OMIC than fat

53:29 people are so typically you would say

53:31 hold stay with me i think you're right

53:34 so um you would have imagined and this

53:37 did happen some areas of the body

53:39 positivity movement said that it was

53:41 denying their right to exist that it was

53:44 like erasia you know um that you're

53:47 losing your bigger brothers and sisters

53:50 i don't know uh but they're not actually

53:52 threatened in the same way as uh in

53:55 weight people are so I'm aware that

53:57 losing weight through ampic is not the

54:00 same as getting in shape especially if

54:01 you don't do the health and fitness

54:03 regime if you don't do the resistance

54:04 exercise you end up gone skinny fat you

54:07 know jowls big cheeks all that stuff but

54:10 the signal of being in shape let's just

54:12 take that as being in shape right like a

54:13 normal BMI the signal of being in shape

54:15 is usually a reliable indicator of what

54:18 you've done to have to get there right

54:20 uh disciplined uh reliable uh able to do

54:23 hard things uh self-motivated consistent

54:26 consistent stick to a routine

54:28 conscientious industrious all of these

54:30 things yeah so you look at somebody

54:31 who's in shape and you think I can infer

54:34 from your body a lot of things about who

54:36 you are beyond just your body i actually

54:38 think that this is one of the huge

54:40 benefits that most people don't realize

54:42 about getting in shape if they want to

54:43 attract a partner or whatever it's sure

54:46 the body looks great when you take the

54:47 clothes off but what does it signal

54:49 about your personality about your

54:50 underlying values and and what you do

54:54 now the problem with the introduction of

54:56 easier routes to being in shape is that

55:00 it's completely dergated the signal the

55:02 signal is now no longer reliable right

55:04 because previously the signal said "I've

55:06 had to jump through all of these

55:07 different hoops." Well now how do you

55:09 know if they've jumped through all of

55:10 those hoops or if they're just shooting

55:11 a Zmpic once a week right and I think

55:13 that this explains why a lot of people

55:15 who are in shape have a real visceral

55:18 reaction now sure lots of people are

55:20 concerned about the drugs fenfen was

55:22 this thing in the '90s [ __ ] people up

55:24 it was speed yeah i mean it's a good way

55:28 to lose weight i I knew a girl who was

55:30 on it she was a very pretty girl that

55:33 was a little heavy and then uh got on

55:35 the fen fen and just wanted to talk to

55:37 everybody couldn't stop talking and got

55:39 real thin i was like "This is crazy."

55:41 And then she developed a heart problem

55:43 oh yeah that she kept for the rest of

55:45 her life I believe i don't know her

55:47 anymore but uh I ran into her a couple

55:50 years later and she was telling me she

55:51 has a heart problem there's been no free

55:53 lunch in weight loss ever yet no and I

55:56 think that people are looking at the

55:58 GLP1s and thinking where's the side

56:00 effect when's it coming what's it going

56:01 to do well there's tons of side effects

56:02 uh it depends upon the person because

56:04 obviously people are very different

56:06 biologically everyone has a different

56:08 tolerance to alcohol people have

56:09 different tolerances to foods and and

56:11 you're going to have different

56:12 tolerances to medications and uh I have

56:14 good friends that have had horrible side

56:16 effects from OAMPic they tried it they

56:18 got on it had terrible pancreatitis

56:21 yeah I got a buddy of mine who was in he

56:24 was in bed for two weeks um he was

56:26 really sick and uh I know several other

56:29 people that just feel terrible when they

56:31 take it and they had to get off of it it

56:33 was really [ __ ] with them and then I

56:34 know other people that have taken it

56:36 like uh a buddy of mine that works at

56:38 the UFC we ran into him the other day

56:39 i'm like "Dude you look [ __ ] great."

56:41 And he's like "Yeah I got on Zbec [ __ ]

56:43 it i just went for it." I said "Hey

56:45 man." And he had a whole plan he's going

56:47 to get down to certain weight and then

56:48 he's going to taper off and he you know

56:50 but he looked great he looked great you

56:52 seen Alex Jones yeah but Alex is not on

56:54 anything i know so was epic at all he's

56:57 just he works with my friend Sean on it

56:59 i've been watching I've been watching

57:01 him train been watching him train on a

57:02 Tuesday not watching him train he trains

57:04 when I train i'm not following Alex

57:06 Jones around uh and he's likely story

57:09 getting after I know that's exactly what

57:11 someone from the deep state would say do

57:12 you know him did or did you just see him

57:14 there i've spied him over the far side

57:16 you never had a conversation with him i

57:18 once saw him when I did Tim P's show in

57:22 the RV outside of the InfoWars car park

57:26 oh yeah i did that yeah you It was the

57:28 same week that was the first week I was

57:29 ever in Austin it was three and a bit

57:31 years ago i remember that live stream uh

57:33 that was fun alex is a lovely person he

57:35 really He's working He's working really

57:37 hard in the gym if he just had that one

57:39 thing that he didn't talk about that's

57:41 it it's that one thing everything else

57:43 has been mostly right about you know

57:45 what I should have said alex Jones is

57:46 like the [ __ ] patient zero for if you

57:49 lose weight by going to the gym and

57:51 working out and changing your diet

57:53 people are just going to say it was

57:54 ampic no people think he's a totally

57:56 different person they think they've

57:57 replaced Alex Jones with someone else is

57:59 this what did a David Ike have a pop at

58:02 Alex Jones recently who did David Ike

58:05 get in trouble with Jamie was that I

58:08 feel like there was some It was somebody

58:10 else in that sort of a world but yeah I

58:12 mean if the reptile people like it does

58:14 it gets a bit reptiley when you get down

58:16 to the lower body fat percentage david

58:17 Ike I saw something he got upset that

58:19 I've never had him on the show and it's

58:21 just the reptile stuff it's just the the

58:23 shape shifter stuff i would still have

58:25 them on i think fascinating to try to

58:28 pick some of those ideas

58:30 or listen to them even if you don't

58:32 believe in the ideas what's interesting

58:34 is how does somebody arrive at them

58:35 right that's what's fascinating to me

58:37 when I do my show I speak to someone I'm

58:38 like I want to understand the psychology

58:41 of how you have arrived at this

58:43 particular position well imagine if it's

58:46 real imagine if if shape shifters were

58:49 real if there really are evil reptilian

58:52 aliens and they've infiltrated our

58:54 society and they've been pulling the

58:56 strings forever and only a couple people

58:59 knew how ridiculous would that idea be

59:03 how ridicul it would be so ridiculous

59:05 but is an alien shape shifter rep you

59:09 know reptile

59:11 person is that any weirder than the most

59:14 recent theory that our entire universe

59:17 is taking place inside of a black hole

59:19 that's in another universe yeah there's

59:23 recent calculations that are leading

59:25 these I guess it would be

59:27 astrophysicists like who would who'd be

59:29 studying this to believe have you see if

59:31 you can find it Jamie it's the most

59:33 bizarre headline cuz you're like "What

59:36 the [ __ ] are you saying?" Like the whole

59:38 universe is inside of a black hole new

59:40 NASA data hints we could be living

59:42 inside a black hole

59:44 great now is that isn't that weirder

59:47 than reptile people cuz reptile people

59:50 those are the two choices reptile

59:52 people's not that weird right like

59:55 octtopi have the ability to completely

59:58 transform their appearance and

60:00 instantaneously adapt to an environment

60:03 why wouldn't we assume to some super

60:05 advanced species from another planet

60:07 that would be we would be horrified if

60:09 we saw their real face they just

60:11 transform and look like the queen of

60:13 England yeah and go sideways like that

60:14 yeah [ __ ] uh do you know what a Boltzman

60:17 brain is have you ever heard of this no

60:18 okay so um in an infinite universe

60:21 infinite there is only let's say the

60:24 size of your brain it's like whatever 20

60:26 cm cubed or something maybe 30 cm cubed

60:29 inside that space there's only so many

60:32 ways that you can put matter together so

60:34 that it creates uh anything there's a

60:37 limited number of ways that matter can

60:39 come together with different elements

60:40 different structures different

60:41 everything like that so Boltzman brain

60:43 suggests that across an infinite

60:44 universe there will be a brain the exact

60:49 same as yours the exact structure as

60:51 yours that comes into existence for a

60:53 moment and then goes away and the reason

60:56 that you could be experiencing the world

60:58 that you are now all of your memories

60:59 your past your history the person that

61:01 you think you are is that you were a

61:02 Boltzman brain that just comes into

61:04 existence and then goes

61:07 "Oh why do you come into existence and

61:09 then go away why don't you just exist

61:11 somewhere else?" You could exist

61:13 somewhere else but this brain appears

61:16 just spontaneously because in an

61:18 infinite universe there are only so many

61:20 different ways that you can piece matter

61:21 together right and it means that if you

61:23 It's the monkeys typewriter thing it's

61:25 the exact same as that but for the way

61:27 that matter is constructed it's

61:29 basically uh like a brain in a vat idea

61:31 but using infinite physics to kind of

61:33 explain it the way it was explained to

61:35 me is that if the universe is truly

61:36 infinite not only is there another

61:39 version of you somewhere but there is

61:42 another version of you that did the

61:45 exact same thing you have done every

61:48 step of the way every time you sneezed

61:52 every hesitation before you spoke your

61:54 mind every time you almost went into

61:57 traffic when you didn't realize the

61:59 light was still red all of those things

62:01 have happened in the exact same order an

62:04 infinite number of times and every

62:08 possible conceivable variation that you

62:11 wore red instead of blue y that you

62:13 turned left instead of right yep went

62:15 trans instead of straight all of it all

62:18 of it that you live in a totalitarian

62:21 environment that you live in a utopia

62:23 that you that you know the the Germans

62:26 won the war that yeah all that

62:29 everything everything that could

62:31 possibly be different would be different

62:33 and in every possible scenario that's

62:35 what infinite means it means it's so

62:37 vast like the craziest one to me was the

62:40 concept that inside every galaxy in the

62:44 center of every galaxy is a super

62:46 massive black hole and that super

62:47 massive black hole is approximately 1

62:50 half of 1% of the mass the entire galaxy

62:52 if you go into that super massive black

62:54 hole so there's hundreds of billions of

62:55 galaxies right inside that super massive

62:59 black hole is an entirely another

63:01 universe filled with uni with with all

63:05 sorts of different galaxies that have

63:07 super massive black holes in them you go

63:08 into one of those another universe

63:11 filled super massive black holes another

63:13 universe filled all super massive black

63:16 holes each one another universe it's

63:18 just a windzip file all the way down why

63:20 is that weirder than the universe is

63:22 infinite why is that weirder i mean what

63:25 just the the weirdness of what it is is

63:27 so [ __ ] insane the idea that it's

63:29 infinite or that there's an infinite

63:32 multiveres and in infinite versions of

63:35 these things inside black holes and in

63:37 in in all sorts of ways that we haven't

63:40 even really figured out yet that's

63:42 That's not that much weirder than what's

63:45 real what's real is insane what's real

63:48 is that the whole thing was smaller than

63:50 the head of a pen and for no

63:53 understandable reason it expanded

63:55 instantaneously and became the universe

63:58 that you you see in the sky today okay

64:01 okay what What the [ __ ] are you saying

64:03 like McKenna had a great line about that

64:06 that science requires of you but one

64:08 miracle

64:09 the Big Bang mhm it's a bad it's a

64:12 miracle it's it's what is it what is it

64:14 if it's not that i mean it's a thing of

64:16 science yes okay so if you can study all

64:20 of the matter and you study all of the

64:23 forces and all the energy and all the

64:25 reasons why matter coaleses or matter

64:28 expands yes you could probably given

64:31 enough time and enough quantum computing

64:33 power figure out what's causing

64:36 everything to compress down smaller than

64:38 the head of a pin and then explode

64:40 but it's still crazy it's It's even if

64:44 you can you had some scientific

64:46 explanation for it it's [ __ ] insane i

64:49 got into supervoids so there's Oh yeah

64:52 the bua is super void so areas of the

64:56 universe that have big absences of

64:59 matter way more than there should be and

65:01 the the uh bueta supervoid is the

65:05 biggest one i think a ton 6118 or

65:08 something is one of the biggest stars or

65:10 one of the biggest black holes and then

65:12 this beta is super void is because you

65:14 would expect homogeneity

65:16 across the universe things should be

65:18 distributed pretty evenly no so what's

65:20 this big hole here jamie can you try and

65:22 find a

65:23 a boot

65:29 buet suns you realize just how [ __ ]

65:32 insignificant are you get the suns that

65:34 are as big as our

65:35 galaxy what the [ __ ]

65:38 what the [ __ ]

65:41 yeah i I I don't know if there's suns

65:42 that big but there's definitely suns as

65:44 big as our solar system well looking at

65:46 the night sky gives you a really

65:47 wonderful piece of perspective right it

65:49 reminds you just how puny and

65:51 insignificant you are i think that's a

65:53 giant problem with our society is that

65:55 light pollution keeps us from seeing

65:56 that all the time the mysterious hole in

65:59 the universe that's billions of times

66:00 larger than the Milky Way

66:04 yeah so go one left a list of voids

66:06 Jeremy yeah that one just big holes yeah

66:10 so you should not have it should be more

66:13 evenly distributed yeah and yeah the

66:15 bueta is void you know this huge lack

66:21 in the middle of

66:23 It's so cool imagine you take a left

66:25 turn in a spaceship and [ __ ] not here

66:27 not the Betta supervoid not again and

66:29 then god damn it you you can't land for

66:32 a 100 million years yeah dude i had uh I

66:35 had Matthew McConnA on the show toward

66:36 the back end of last year and we talked

66:38 about Interstellar's 10th year

66:40 anniversary that show is still that that

66:42 movie is still my favorite movie of all

66:44 time it's an amazing movie i just saw it

66:46 again like a couple weeks ago me too it

66:48 was incredible it's so good it's so

66:50 weird such a weird movie nolan's a

66:53 [ __ ] king he's a wizard everything

66:55 that he does what's the new one he's

66:57 What's his new movie that he's in the

66:58 Odyssey I think oh yeah

67:01 what is the Odyssey like the Homer like

67:03 the Oh god really i don't know that

67:06 story either so I'm kind of Yeah I don't

67:08 either part of me knows that I should

67:10 have read it and part of me is glad that

67:11 I didn't so I get to I don't know how it

67:13 finishes i don't know how it ends yeah I

67:16 think I probably read it in high school

67:18 but I don't remember this is all we got

67:19 i think cuz this picture of Matt Damon

67:21 in this outfit oh he's going to kill it

67:24 there already complaints that it's not

67:25 historically accurate why because of

67:27 Matt Damon no because that's not what

67:29 the armor would have looked like

67:30 apparently it would have been He

67:31 wouldn't have been able to see his face

67:32 apparently but Oh really yeah but now if

67:34 you Makes for a [ __ ] movie though you

67:36 know what I mean like that's they're

67:37 complaining already the lighter thank

67:39 you um Yeah you can't always be

67:41 historically accurate I guess yeah but

67:44 that's all they got so far cast and uh

67:46 Tom Holland Robert Patson nice

67:48 absolutely stacked did you see uh Matt

67:52 Damon do Schultz's trailer yes I did

67:56 yeah

67:58 so [ __ ] good i have to say man that

68:00 uh Schultz's most recent special is one

68:04 of the best things i got to shout out

68:06 Andrew Schultz like that was one of the

68:07 best things that I've seen in so long i

68:10 thought it was [ __ ] phenomenal it

68:11 made me cry when I saw it live here in

68:12 Austin twice i cried twice wow and then

68:15 I saw it again before I had him on the

68:16 show the other week like just in the

68:19 back of an Uber and like trying to not

68:21 let the taxi driver see that I'm welling

68:23 up he's talking about his wife says

68:25 something to him where she says um the

68:27 thing is honey you don't have problems

68:30 we have problems i was like it was just

68:33 so lovely and him talking about his

68:36 experience trying to get pregnant and

68:38 all of that stuff uh caused me to go and

68:40 get uh get sperm count done i'm not

68:42 trying to get anybody pregnant not at

68:44 the moment but uh How old are you 37 do

68:47 you have a a number where you'd like to

68:49 start breeding

68:51 breeding within the next few years i

68:53 want to start a family soon but do you

68:55 have a gal yeah the moment yeah I do how

68:57 long you been with this gal six months

68:59 do you ever go on a trip with her yeah

69:01 you got to go on a long trip with them

69:03 well I I think that 6 months might be a

69:05 little bit early just yet to No if you

69:07 want to find out what's up you got to go

69:09 on a trip oh you mean to work out

69:11 compatibility yeah you got to see how

69:13 they deal with travel how they deal with

69:15 stress how they deal with restaurant

69:17 what is it can they keep up their act

69:19 when you're with them 24 hours a day for

69:21 weeks at a time it was when I actually

69:24 did do a weekl long trip in Jamaica and

69:27 had to go from Montego Bay to Kingston

69:29 twice to get my visa renewed now

69:31 traveling through Jamaican traffic with

69:33 somebody will really tell you an awful

69:34 lot so yeah you're talking about like a

69:36 Navy Seal hell week of trying to throw

69:38 difficult [ __ ] in that so that worked

69:40 you just need to see what people are

69:42 like when they're with you all the time

69:44 because people put on a show they put on

69:47 a show you're a handsome guy you're

69:48 successful they want to impress you they

69:51 want to pretend there's something that

69:52 you would love and then maybe they have

69:55 ideas of morphing you and changing you

69:57 over time you know like you get a car

70:00 like it's pretty good but I like to

70:01 update the engine i do some [ __ ] to the

70:03 tires maybe change the way the interior

70:04 looks you start changing it and then all

70:07 of a sudden Chris is wearing different

70:08 clothes what's going on Chris got to be

70:10 careful i put these glasses on that's

70:11 why it happened um but yeah the I I

70:13 decided to go and get a sperm count

70:15 thing done you know what a varicus seal

70:16 is no okay i Dude this is something that

70:20 I think every single guy needs to know

70:21 about so it's basically when you go

70:24 through puberty the way that uh the

70:26 veins sort of form that blow heat off

70:29 from your balls they can form in a way

70:31 where they just don't um get rid of the

70:34 heat that efficiently cool your balls

70:35 good not not enough and it's in 15% of

70:38 men so it's super super common but 50%

70:40 of men that go to urologist have got

70:42 this and I go in and I've had these

70:46 balls my entire life i've had these

70:48 balls thank you uh I didn't They're not

70:50 transplants i've had these balls since

70:53 puberty and I found out at the age of 36

70:55 oh you've got a medium varicus so the

70:58 mad thing about this is mo you'll know

71:01 this if you take testosterone it

71:02 plummets your sperm count so typically

71:04 testosterone and sperm kind of work

71:06 against each other in that kind of a

71:08 direction this is the one thing where if

71:11 you get it fixed both go up so the mean

71:14 change in testosterone is 180 points how

71:17 do they fix it they just uh it's surgery

71:20 it's a small surgery where they do an

71:21 incision in your groin and they just uh

71:24 fix the vascule balls and surgery are

71:27 two things that I don't like together i

71:30 like both of them i don't think they

71:31 should be never the twain she'll meet

71:34 yeah i ball surgery is scary do you know

71:36 that if you get your uh you can get a

71:38 dick transplant if like you lose your

71:40 dick but you cannot get ball transplants

71:42 you know why no because you will carry

71:45 the DNA of the original person so say if

71:49 I die and you get my balls you will have

71:51 my DNA you will have my kids so why

71:53 can't I have your balls well you could

71:55 if I gave you permission maybe but it's

71:57 un Why don't we swap one ball

71:59 each i was like tossing a coin see whose

72:01 kids make it and then we do a DNA test

72:04 ley was the one that came out my kids

72:06 are Chris's what the [ __ ] we come out

72:08 speaking British that would be fun if we

72:09 both like if if you had an elective

72:11 surgery to swap balls with a a good

72:13 buddy like I love you so much i want to

72:15 swap a ball with you y and we both don't

72:17 know which one it's going to be you

72:18 never know it's like cuz I had a gay

72:20 couple that were friends uh that lived

72:22 down the street from me and they had a

72:24 kid with a surrogate and they shot their

72:26 jizz into a cup and mixed it up so they

72:28 didn't know who's who's gonna be the one

72:30 who has the kid whoa

72:33 two men one cup they had to do it twice

72:35 too because the first time the lady kept

72:37 the kid they paid her they did the whole

72:40 thing at the end of it she decided she

72:41 wanted to keep the baby dude the ethics

72:42 of surrogacy are really interesting it's

72:45 weird it's a weird thing you're hiring

72:47 someone to take to to have your baby for

72:49 you and then wealthy people are doing it

72:51 so they don't get their coot stretched

72:52 out that was the Kardashian approach

72:55 right allegedly that's why she did it

72:58 well maybe she just didn't want to carry

72:59 babies anymore she had a couple of them

73:01 the normal way and then but it's like so

73:04 much of what the child experiences in

73:07 the womb it like leads to this I would

73:10 imagine this bonding thing with the

73:12 woman the baby's inside of you you

73:15 remember feeling the baby inside of you

73:16 it grows inside of you then it comes out

73:18 of you and you raise it and it

73:20 breastfeeds it's like this bond is I

73:24 understand surrogacy if someone can't

73:26 get pregnant if it this is the only way

73:27 you can have kids i'm not saying don't

73:29 do it but I'm saying it's [ __ ]

73:31 strange because this other person is

73:34 whatever anxiety they have fear their

73:37 cortisol levels if they're have domestic

73:40 abuse in their house like all that

73:42 information is being transferred to the

73:44 child

73:46 pregnancy doesn't just make a kid it

73:48 also makes a mother

73:49 and uh it's dangerous i I'm so conflict

73:52 i mean test tube babies what happens if

73:55 we can just create artificial wombs you

73:56 know something that's weird i know that

73:58 people don't get they don't choose to be

74:01 born but somebody chooses whether or not

74:04 these two sets of DNA are going to come

74:06 together if you've just got sperm donor

74:08 after sperm donor and egg donor after

74:10 egg donor and artificial wombs gets to

74:12 the stage where people kind of aren't

74:14 choosing who's coming into reality that

74:17 much anymore well that is definitely the

74:19 future i mean look at plummeting sperm

74:22 counts look at um rising miscarriage

74:26 rates look at the the problems that

74:29 people are having with microplastics and

74:31 the disruption of the endocrine system

74:33 and pesticides and herbicides and all

74:35 these different ubiquitous chemicals

74:37 that are affecting people's sperm counts

74:40 and fertility it's it's a real factor

74:43 and it's plummeting if you look at

74:46 the if you look at like human beings

74:49 from the last 60 70 years and you look

74:52 at males in America where their sperm

74:54 count used to be where it is now it's

74:56 rapidly decreasing there's a lot of

74:58 factors sedentary lifestyle processed

75:00 foods lot but there's also environmental

75:02 factors that seem to be altering the

75:05 actual way a child develops in the womb

75:08 and this is uh Dr shana Swan's work

75:10 countdown yeah which is an

75:13 incredible just it's an incredible book

75:16 but it's just an incredible fact that

75:19 the plastics that we use from microwave

75:22 foods and water bottles and all that

75:24 stuff is literally changing the

75:26 development of children it's changing

75:29 the size of their testicles the size of

75:31 their penises the anogenital distance

75:34 yeah yeah the the taint shrinks it's

75:36 really crazy stuff and it's it's it

75:39 replicates what happens in mammals when

75:41 they when they do these studies with

75:42 rats and hamsters and same things happen

75:45 a third of all children globally are

75:48 going to be obese by 2050 jesus that's

75:51 the current trajectory and 1 billion

75:54 people worldwide are obese so the number

75:57 one form of malnutrition globally is

76:00 obesity not starvation there's twice as

76:03 many people that are obese than are

76:04 starving that's crazy if that's not a

76:06 comment on problems of abundance as

76:09 opposed to problems of scarcity yeah

76:11 it's not even abundance though it's the

76:13 food is so calorier rich and filled with

76:16 [ __ ] you know that you just you just you

76:19 get so fat so quick like if you're

76:21 eating nothing but junk food and

76:22 drinking nothing but soda as I sit here

76:25 with a large diet coke which I usually

76:27 don't drink but I do occasionally um

76:30 that is like a diet coke at least

76:32 doesn't have the calories but if you're

76:33 having a large Coke like that like if

76:36 you have a Coke like this what is this a

76:37 liter this is probably a liter 750 maybe

76:40 or a liter yeah it's a liter so how much

76:43 sugar is in one liter of Coca-Cola let's

76:46 find that out well there's nothing in

76:47 that one right which is why it's a diet

76:49 yeah it's just brain cancer

76:51 [Laughter]

76:54 donald Rumsfeld approved brain cancer

76:56 94.7 g of sugar and so much sugar

77:01 4.7 g and people polish these things off

77:05 every day someone's polishing off a 2 L

77:07 of Mountain Dew listening to this as we

77:09 speak so that's probably double that so

77:12 that's hundreds hundreds of grams of

77:15 sugar the big gulps the average American

77:19 is fatter than the average American pig

77:21 now

77:23 it's true it's

77:25 true average American man 28% body fat

77:28 average American woman 40% body fat

77:31 average American pig 15 to 25% body fat

77:33 oh my god yep i would have thought it

77:36 would be higher than 28% i think we're

77:37 doing pretty good for guys yeah well I

77:40 guess it's it's offset by like Brian

77:42 Johnson and all of the OMIC people that

77:44 are just shredded super shredded yeah

77:47 exactly and then there was that that

77:48 other thing about you talking about kids

77:50 is it some huge percentage of 18 to 24

77:52 year olds couldn't join the military

77:54 yeah like 70% because of mental health

77:57 or obesity or or drug use or something

78:01 and half of them had two or more of

78:04 these excuses for why you couldn't do it

78:06 and I think if you track over time the

78:08 amount of military service that people

78:10 have had so much less now it's so much

78:13 less and I wonder how many of the issues

78:15 that we're seeing even uh women being

78:18 attracted to guys i think that what you

78:20 want to do as a guy is try and signal uh

78:22 the again the same as going to the gym

78:24 reliable orderly conscientious I can be

78:26 on time I can do hard things this is one

78:28 of the proposed uh explanations for the

78:31 baby boom was that a lot of men that did

78:34 come back from war were signaling their

78:36 eligibility signaling how reliable they

78:38 could be and it made it easier for women

78:40 to be attracted in that way that makes

78:42 sense i mean imagine a woman you're

78:45 you're going to get pregnant and so

78:47 you're going to be you could work for a

78:49 little while but towards the end you're

78:50 not going to be able to work and then

78:51 after the child it's going to be very

78:53 difficult to work so you're relying on

78:55 this other person that like how well do

78:58 you know this person did you do that

79:00 10day vacation in Jamaica with that guy

79:02 did you go did he drive from Montego Bay

79:03 to Kingston twice in bad traffic do you

79:06 know what happens when he makes mistakes

79:07 does he blame other people or does does

79:09 he apologize like what who is he you

79:12 know cuz all that shit's going to come

79:14 up when you get 4 hours sleep cuz the

79:16 baby's crying and and then you know

79:18 maybe he doesn't like his job anymore he

79:20 wants to quit you're like you can't quit

79:21 [ __ ] you have to feed us you

79:24 have to take care of a family now you're

79:26 not going to just quit what are you

79:28 talking about you don't like your job

79:31 show up

79:33 and I can't imagine relying on another

79:36 person like that i mean this is why

79:38 women are so picky like when you see

79:40 that 80% of the women are attracted to

79:43 20% of the men and that's that's what

79:46 that is what did you expect what did you

79:48 expect it's it's hard to have your [ __ ]

79:50 together it's hard to be kicking ass in

79:53 this [ __ ] complicated bizarre world

79:55 that we live in it's hard so for a woman

79:58 of course they're going to grab What

80:00 about personality yeah you're a [ __ ]

80:02 lazy [ __ ] that's part of your

80:04 personality part of the reason why

80:07 you're not successful at 40 years of age

80:09 has to be you has to be some of it has

80:13 to be i mean it could be a [ __ ]

80:16 avalanche of bad luck one thing after

80:19 the other but I would like to see that

80:21 you're making progress towards a better

80:23 direction but if you're stuck in this

80:26 modal if you're stuck in this mindset of

80:29 you know the world [ __ ] me over it's

80:31 like never going to No one's going to

80:32 want to be with you no one's going to

80:34 want to have children with you no one's

80:35 gonna no one's gonna be willing to rely

80:37 on you to support a family like you have

80:39 to get your [ __ ] together and you have

80:42 to also be attractive which is just dumb

80:43 luck like you have the dumb luck of

80:46 genetics you got a good face oo you know

80:49 you got a good body a lot of that's

80:51 genetics too you know like what they

80:54 like and what they don't like is mostly

80:57 about breeding it's mostly about is this

81:01 person reliable to breed with

81:04 it's interesting to think about the uh

81:06 you mentioned earlier on about going to

81:08 the gym is rightwing and liking fast

81:10 cars is rightwing and all the rest of it

81:12 the number of liberal women that are

81:15 struggling I think to find an eligible

81:16 partner is going up because they just

81:18 can't find a guy that will hold the door

81:19 open for them that'll treat them like a

81:21 lady that'll try and be the protector

81:22 provider procreator thing you go you're

81:25 talking about a conservative you're

81:27 talking about somebody who's more

81:29 traditional in that way and um I get

81:32 worried you know I sort of talk a lot

81:33 about this stuff on the show and I get

81:35 worried about not helping men to improve

81:39 and this sort of zero someum view of

81:41 empathy that if you give some attention

81:43 to men and the way that they're

81:45 struggling that it takes it away from

81:47 some other more deserving group so a lot

81:50 of the time if if someone's falling

81:51 behind 50 years ago Title N gets

81:53 introduced right for women it's not

81:54 enough women in higher education not

81:56 enough of women expediting them through

81:58 socioeconomic status 50 years later

82:01 they've blown the [ __ ] roof off the

82:03 glass ceiling it doesn't exist two women

82:05 for every one man completing a four-year

82:07 US college degree by 2030 women earn way

82:11 more than men do in their 20s way more

82:14 and now how are you it's going to be

82:17 difficult for you to find an eligible

82:18 partner as you begin to climb up your

82:20 own socioeconomic ladder as you get

82:22 higher and higher up you look across and

82:24 there are fewer and fewer men over there

82:27 and what you think is okay well

82:29 typically if a group is falling behind

82:31 in society we don't tell them to pick

82:33 themselves up by their bootstraps we

82:35 spend billions of money in taxpayer

82:38 funded charities and think tanks to try

82:40 and work out what's going on and to try

82:42 and bring them along for the ride that's

82:44 not happening with men because

82:47 vestigually for so long men had it so

82:49 good and now it's I don't know it feels

82:52 like uh twisting the knife in some sort

82:54 of karmic retribution in a way like um

82:57 this is penance that you're paying but a

83:00 lot of guys you you can look at the

83:02 number of CEOs and sure guys that

83:04 outperform on the top end yep but that's

83:06 not necessarily due to privilege it's

83:08 because putting yourself in that

83:09 position to do what you need to do to

83:11 get yourself to the position of being a

83:12 founder being a CEO having running a

83:14 successful company is so [ __ ] insane

83:16 that most women would just choose to not

83:18 go and do that you're talking about

83:20 outliers evolutionary psychology says

83:22 that men and nature's play things that

83:25 there's more variability there's more

83:26 male geniuses but there's also more male

83:28 retards and it's all well and good

83:30 pointing to the number of CEOs and and

83:32 Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and all the

83:34 rest of it that doesn't help the guy who

83:38 is really struggling and has had that

83:39 run of bad luck and has been really

83:41 struggling trying to work on himself and

83:44 uh yeah if women have a problem a lot of

83:47 the time we say what can we do to fix

83:48 society any other group but if men are

83:50 struggling we say what is it that men

83:52 are doing where they can't fix

83:53 themselves and in some ways that's

83:56 inspiring like guys want that sense of

83:57 like I can [ __ ] do this i can do this

84:00 but it denies that there's structural

84:01 problems i think the education system

84:03 for young boys is really really tough

84:05 getting them to sit in a classroom still

84:07 for six hours a day it seems like

84:10 females are just better at doing that

84:12 young girls are more effective at a sort

84:14 of brainbased economy highlighting and

84:16 and and planning ahead of the homework

84:19 that they've got to do and the

84:20 assignments and stuff like that and you

84:22 just roll that forward two women for

84:24 every one man completing a four years

84:25 college degree and I'm not saying "Oh

84:27 let's rip women out of the classroom and

84:29 out of the boardroom and put them back

84:31 into the kitchen." Like obviously not

84:33 obviously that's not what either of us

84:34 are saying what do you think is the

84:36 cause of it like what do you think is

84:37 the reason why more men aren't

84:40 succeeding and getting college degrees

84:42 and more men aren't going out and making

84:45 as much money in their 20s i think that

84:47 the current environment does not

84:49 necessarily lend itself to the

84:51 disposition that men have got so they're

84:55 less conscientious than women from a

84:57 personality standpoint on average that

84:59 means that it's really difficult

85:01 comparatively on average for you to be

85:03 able to remind yourself that you need to

85:04 do the sort of homework men are more

85:06 predisposed to addiction they're more

85:07 predisposed to using recreational drugs

85:09 they're more predisposed to being in

85:11 jail to all of the sort of gang stuff

85:13 that people get drawn into it's just

85:15 more likely for guys there are more

85:17 roots that men can be pulled away in

85:20 that sort of a manner and on top of it I

85:23 don't think that there is a particularly

85:25 inspiring

85:27 uh vision for what men but you said

85:29 earlier on about fitness rightwing fast

85:31 cars rightwing there was this uh thread

85:34 on Reddit I think in a left-leaning

85:37 forum that said "People of the left can

85:39 you give me a good example of who you

85:41 think a positive male role model would

85:43 be?" The top voted one was Aragon from

85:46 Lord of the Rings

85:51 what about Fabio you've had to go to a

85:54 fantasy land in order to be able to find

85:56 somebody who's sufficiently pure and I

85:58 think that you know this is one of the

85:59 issues that we see on the left which is

86:02 there is no level of purity or the level

86:04 of purity you need to be able to get to

86:06 is so high doesn't exist how many people

86:09 have gone from left to right i I left to

86:13 left type thing like that quite a few

86:15 how many people have gone from right to

86:16 left very few why because if you have

86:20 got a slightly feted past if you maybe

86:23 said things in in the past that didn't

86:24 agree with where we are at now the right

86:26 will welcome with open arms but the left

86:28 one why do you think that is

86:32 i think that there is a level of

86:33 puritanism on the left where they are

86:36 unprepared

86:38 to they're unprepared to accept people

86:41 who have had uh positions that they

86:44 don't agree with there seems to be this

86:46 odd purity spiral where they're

86:48 constantly trying to point out people

86:49 who are no longer agreeing with the uh

86:52 ideology jour of the modern world what

86:54 do you think why do you think it is i

86:56 think that's probably a factor um I also

86:59 think that corporate America um the the

87:03 whole structure of it with human

87:04 resources and people working together

87:06 it's just like it's not necessarily what

87:09 men want what men want if if you want

87:13 men to work in the best environment

87:15 possible for men they would work with

87:16 mostly men and they would

87:19 probably be able to speak and

87:22 communicate in a way that they did on

87:25 mad men you know they'd act like men

87:28 like men like to act like men most men

87:31 that are involved in corporate life act

87:34 like some strange character that is what

87:38 a man is supposed to be uh especially if

87:41 you're supposed to espouse all the l

87:44 latest social

87:45 justice you know whatever the mantra is

87:48 that you have to repeat if you if you

87:50 have

87:51 to rigidly adhere to an ideology in

87:54 order to fit in with your corporate

87:55 environment you're going to do that and

87:57 you're going to be trapped in that and

87:59 you're going to just desperately want

88:01 some escape that's why CEOs wind up

88:03 going to dominatrix and getting [ __ ]

88:05 ball gagged and kicked in the balls and

88:06 [ __ ] like what do you think that is it's

88:08 like they they need something something

88:10 wild to escape from the the mundane

88:14 existence that they have in the

88:15 corporate world that the person that's

88:17 in control all the time so privately I

88:18 need to be out of control it's just not

88:20 compatible for most men like that type

88:23 of environment the the a work office

88:27 environment is not it's not compatible

88:29 you don't nobody wants to do that what

88:31 you want is the rewards of that you want

88:34 the money you know you want success you

88:36 want status you want all those things

88:38 you want the corner office but what you

88:40 don't want is to work in that

88:41 environment if you could choose to make

88:44 the same kind of money doing things that

88:45 you love to do having fun like if all

88:48 these corporate CEOs could make as much

88:50 money playing golf I bet they would play

88:51 golf i I don't think they really want to

88:54 be doing that they're doing that because

88:56 it's the way in order it's it's the way

88:59 to succeed and the way to make money and

89:01 it feels like hell feels like hell

89:03 you're stuck in traffic every day you're

89:06 stuck in the office you're not working

89:07 eight hours a day if you want to really

89:09 make it and this is the diff this is

89:10 like the why the wage gap between men

89:13 and women was such an insidious lie

89:15 because they were always saying women

89:16 make 75 cents to every dollar a man

89:19 makes and people repeat that without

89:21 understanding what it actually means no

89:22 it's it's job choices and hours worked

89:26 those are the primary factors that lead

89:28 to men earning more money than women

89:30 it's it's not a man and a woman are

89:32 doing the same job and someone rips off

89:34 the woman by only giving her 75 cents to

89:36 what the man works if that was the case

89:39 and they the woman Yeah you would only

89:41 employ women cuz women you'd pay him

89:43 less they do a better job anyway right

89:45 ladies so there you go it's it's

89:47 nonsense and but that thing that Obama

89:50 repeated on television I remember

89:52 watching him say that going "He knows

89:53 better than this this is [ __ ] this

89:55 is a [ __ ] statistic." But it's it's

89:57 a heartstring statistic it it plays

90:00 headline yeah it plays on your what you

90:03 want to believe rather than what's true

90:05 and women have to take time off for

90:08 maternity leave they have to they you

90:09 know if they get pregnant it's going to

90:11 signific significantly impact the amount

90:13 of hours they're willing to work they

90:15 might not want to do the job anymore

90:16 once they're raising their children if

90:18 their husband's making enough money they

90:19 probably want to quit they want to be at

90:20 home with their kids it's a normal thing

90:23 and then a lot of women who are career

90:25 corporate women are shamed for wanting

90:27 to stay home with their children yeah oh

90:29 you've been conned by the patriarchy

90:30 into being a domestic prostitute so um I

90:34 was talking to was it Schultz that said

90:36 this i think it was he was telling me on

90:37 the show he said uh that his wife used

90:41 to work at Google i think she's like

90:42 super highowered real smart lady and um

90:45 she used to bump into her old colleagues

90:47 in the supermarket when they were

90:49 together and the classic question that

90:51 somebody that's in the career trenches

90:52 asks somebody else is "Oh so what are

90:54 you doing now you left you left work

90:56 what what are you doing now?" And

90:58 Schultz said this sentence that his wife

91:01 replied with would [ __ ] kill him she

91:03 says "Oh I'm just a mum." He said "It's

91:05 the just that really hurts i'm just a

91:09 mom." Well that's how you feel like

91:12 you're you're supposed to admit that

91:14 you're just a mom that [ __ ] hurts

91:16 dude to derate the people that are

91:18 literally raising the next generation

91:20 that's another point actually about sort

91:22 of men falling behind i think it seems

91:25 like young boys are more negatively

91:28 impacted by fatherless homes than young

91:29 girls are so any boy that grows up in an

91:34 in intact a non-intact uh household is

91:38 more likely to end up in jail or prison

91:41 than they are to complete college

91:44 in the US yeah any non-intact that's

91:46 adopted stepparent single parent any

91:49 non-intact home they're more likely to

91:51 end up in jail or in prison than they

91:53 are to complete college and the same

91:55 statistic is not true for girls and this

91:58 again the zero sums of this so what are

92:02 you saying are you saying that we need

92:03 to we need to hold girls back it's like

92:04 no you do not need to hold one group

92:07 back in order to be able to raise

92:08 another one up we spent 50 years really

92:10 pedestalizing and helping take the

92:12 reigns off of young girls so that

92:14 socioeconomically they can look after

92:16 themselves they're no longer financial

92:17 prisoners right of their partner which

92:19 is a big deal you look at the divorce

92:21 statistics from the past and proclaim it

92:23 as some you know amazing cultural

92:25 outgrowth and you go how many women

92:26 stayed in those relationships because

92:28 they [ __ ] couldn't afford to leave

92:30 right they had no other option to do

92:32 that that's scary that's scary that's

92:34 why women are so picky and they should

92:36 be yep that's Yeah it's it's also crazy

92:41 that we put value in our lives on money

92:45 above everything including above doing a

92:49 good job raising your children you put

92:51 the money that you earn above that and

92:55 you just get daycare during the day i'll

92:57 be home at 6 that's fine that's plenty

92:59 of time to be with my kid and there's a

93:01 lot of people that live their life by

93:03 that and their ledger when they they

93:05 look at the amount of money that they've

93:07 earned that's what that's the reward

93:09 it's the greatest metric in the world

93:11 though it's the most easy to optimize

93:13 thing like I can tell you the size of

93:15 the house that I live in i can tell you

93:16 how much money I earn per year i can

93:17 tell you what the car is like that I

93:19 drive but I can't tell you how much

93:21 peace I have when my head hits the

93:22 pillow at night i can't tell you what

93:24 the quality of the relationship between

93:25 me and my wife or me and my kids is i

93:28 can't tell you how much time I got to

93:30 spend in a hammock last week you know

93:31 these are the things I think that if you

93:33 were able to metric it if you were able

93:35 to make it a game people would be able

93:36 to pay an awful lot more attention to it

93:38 but the money is the best game in the

93:39 world it's literally transfer currency

93:42 exchange you can exchange i know what

93:44 your wealth is compared with that guy in

93:45 Japan compared with that dude in Russia

93:47 compared with this person that's

93:48 Australian whole world it's the best

93:50 game ever created and it's the game that

93:53 so many people use to show their value i

93:57 mean it's not just your the richness of

94:00 your life the happiness that you have

94:02 the fulfilled feeling that you have when

94:05 you do whatever you it is that you do

94:07 where you feel like you have a sense of

94:08 purpose no that's not can't quantify

94:12 that can't measure it can't put it on a

94:13 scale it's useless meanwhile it's the

94:16 most important thing the most important

94:18 thing is satisfaction satisfaction in

94:20 your life community love friendship

94:22 happiness uh a sense of purpose like you

94:25 enjoy what you do that's so important

94:28 for life if you are just doing something

94:30 you don't want to do just for money you

94:33 live in hell and that's most people most

94:36 people live in this like dull hell and

94:39 they try to have fun while they're at

94:40 work they try to you know have people

94:43 that they talk to at work hopefully make

94:45 some good friends at work and you can

94:46 enjoy your chitter chatter at the water

94:48 cooler but the reality of that life is

94:51 just mostly suck there's a lot of

94:53 problems I think that people that are

94:55 driven face that uh don't get that much

94:57 sympathy so I had this idea that um type

94:59 A people have type B problems and type B

95:03 people have type A problems so um

95:06 insecure overachievers need to learn how

95:08 to chill out and lazy people need to

95:10 learn how to work hard and be more

95:12 disciplined and um you know most people

95:14 that listen to shows like yours or mine

95:16 are probably some version of type A like

95:18 a a kind of walking anxiety disorder

95:21 harness for productivity

95:25 true that's a great definition it is and

95:28 um that's really accurate i think the

95:30 thing that type A people realize is that

95:32 if you're type A you get very little

95:34 sympathy because a outwardly successful

95:37 but miserable person is way less always

95:41 appears to be in a much more

95:42 preferential position than a content

95:45 being lazy but on the verge of

95:46 bankruptcy one right you know what I

95:48 mean right right so problems of

95:51 opportunity will always get less

95:52 sympathy than ones of scarcity mhm

95:55 like one feels like a choice and the

95:58 other feels like a limitation one is

96:00 like a a bourgeoa luxury and the other

96:02 is like a systemic imposition you know I

96:05 need someone to teach me how to switch

96:07 off and relax feels dopamineergic and

96:11 opulent and addicted and and privileged

96:14 i need someone how to to teach me how to

96:16 work harder feels noble and upward

96:18 aiming and like you're supporting you're

96:21 supporting the the downtrodden like

96:23 every underdog movie in history has a

96:26 training montage of some guy down on his

96:29 luck that gets saved by the right woman

96:31 or a Japanese dude that teaches him to

96:34 wash cars or whatever it is and through

96:36 grit grit and spit and sawdust he sorts

96:39 himself out and he fixes his life yeah

96:42 no movie explains how to log out of

96:44 Slack at 6 p.m right or spend a day at

96:46 the beach without feeling guilty right

96:48 and so yeah I think in that sense type A

96:53 people may objectively have better lives

96:58 but subjectively they're ravaged by the

97:01 sense that they've never done enough

97:02 right they wake up every single morning

97:06 feeling as if they've already trying to

97:08 repay some productivity debt and only if

97:10 they dance through the day completely

97:12 perfectly nail every single task can

97:15 they go to bed not feeling like a

97:17 wasteman that's where they're at

97:20 congratulations you might be very

97:22 successful you also might be very

97:24 miserable you're most likely going to be

97:26 miserable that's the the cold hard

97:29 reality of most

97:31 CEOs most really wealthy people when you

97:34 see them pull up in the yacht they're

97:35 [ __ ] living hell i think when you

97:38 look at people that are super outlier

97:40 performers you should probably your

97:42 first emotion should not be envy it

97:45 should be pity should think what's that

97:48 person what's it like inside of that

97:50 person to drive them to do what they did

97:52 to themselves to put them in that

97:54 position what's what's their background

97:57 like what happened in their childhood

97:59 what do they think about their own sense

98:00 of selfworth in order how much aderall

98:03 are they on the old performance enhancer

98:05 yeah the testosterone for the

98:07 businessman it's not just performance

98:08 enhancer i think it changes the way you

98:11 you approach things i think uh Have you

98:13 ever taken it no no no i'm scared of I'm

98:16 scared of speed i'm scared of anything

98:19 that I think I would really like

98:21 yeah you haven't done cocaine for the

98:23 same reason right yes yeah yeah yeah

98:24 well I was very lucky when I was in high

98:26 school i knew some people that had

98:27 problems with it and Big warning sign

98:30 yeah well and back then I was very

98:32 driven like I didn't even party really i

98:34 I only wanted to get good at martial

98:37 arts i was so driven that I didn't want

98:39 to do anything that would interfere with

98:41 anything else what was it that drove you

98:44 why why why this drive for so long

98:48 uh there's probably a lot of factors i

98:51 mean I got into it because I didn't want

98:52 to get picked on because I didn't know

98:53 how to fight and I would be nervous

98:55 around bullies i didn't know what to do

98:56 and I'm like this I don't like this

98:58 feeling at all like so I will become

99:00 what everyone's afraid of so I'll do

99:03 that and then when I got into it I

99:05 realized that first of all I realized

99:08 that I could get really good at things i

99:10 realized that

99:11 whatever drive that I had and whatever

99:14 thing about fighting which was so scary

99:16 to me why was so appealing to me at the

99:19 same time and I realized that it was

99:21 like a vision quest i was on this quest

99:23 to try to figure out how to harness my

99:26 potential and what better way than to do

99:29 something that's very difficult and very

99:32 scary and then if you could get really

99:34 good at something very difficult and

99:36 very scary you could probably master

99:38 life so you had this uh gateway drug

99:41 through martial arts that was a a proof

99:44 to you that you could self- author yes

99:46 yeah a proof that I wasn't a loser for

99:48 for me it was like that I could be

99:50 successful where did that I've heard you

99:51 say that before about the the loser

99:53 thing where did that fear come from did

99:55 you feel powerless as a kid at some

99:56 point yeah I'm sure it comes from broken

99:59 home moving around a lot a lot of

100:01 factors there's a lot of lot of various

100:03 factors um but it's also just the

100:06 existential angst of being a young man

100:08 like we you they're looking for purpose

100:10 like who am I what do I do am I good at

100:12 anything like what what gives me value

100:15 and for me when I started doing martial

100:17 arts it was the first time that I

100:20 was respected and not just respected

100:23 like I remember the first time I

100:25 realized that people would uh gather

100:28 around when I

100:29 fought and I was like whoa this is kind

100:32 of crazy like there they specifically

100:35 want to watch me fight and that was a

100:38 big deal to me is like that I was so

100:40 good that people were gathering around

100:43 really it was they they wanted to see

100:44 something horrible they wanted to see

100:46 someone get head kicked you know and

100:48 they knew I did that reliably you could

100:50 kick someone in the head i was pretty

100:51 good at it and so that that um changed

100:56 me it changed my self-reflection it

100:59 changed who I I was i wasn't a loser now

101:03 I was a an extreme winner and really

101:06 good at it and super disciplined and

101:10 driven beyond anything that I thought

101:13 was possible before I'd done that i

101:15 never had like that kind of focus before

101:18 I got into martial arts but martial arts

101:20 demanded that kind of focus because you

101:22 can't pretend there's no pretending

101:25 you're good you have to be good there's

101:27 no pretending you're fast you have to be

101:29 fast there's no pretending to be

101:31 technical you have to be perfect your

101:34 technique has to be perfect because

101:36 you're fighting against other trained

101:38 killers like you're not fighting your

101:40 weaknesses will be revealed you're going

101:41 to get hurt and I saw so many people get

101:44 hurt doesn't matter about what you

101:45 tweeted it doesn't matter about your

101:47 beliefs stepping onto the mat your

101:49 [ __ ] rainbow flag that you have on

101:51 your t-shirt nobody gives a [ __ ] so on

101:53 that I think that's a very common

101:54 pattern especially for young people who

101:57 feel a little bit helpless in their life

101:58 yeah um I find a a vector that makes me

102:02 feel worthy um you know the the most

102:05 common story of high performers I think

102:07 is that I needed to do something to get

102:09 the world to recognize me one of the

102:11 problems I think as people grow up is

102:13 that they internalize this belief that

102:17 the only way that the world will value

102:18 me is if I can continue to perform at

102:20 this high level and I think that there

102:22 comes some people can embibe a type of

102:27 insecurity in that that if I stop doing

102:30 these things if I stop being as

102:31 impressive to the world yes it's going

102:33 to deny me its love that it is I I I'm

102:37 going to be unwanted unworthy and I

102:41 think that this talking about the high

102:42 performer thing talking about the pity

102:43 of the CEO go how much are you running

102:46 towards something that you want and how

102:48 much are you running away from something

102:49 that you fear that this not enoughness

102:53 right right right and the way I looked

102:56 at it and the way I was taught was that

102:57 martial arts are a vehicle for

102:59 developing your human potential and that

103:02 through the incredible struggle of

103:05 training and competing you will learn

103:07 more about your ability to excel at

103:10 anything you know this is the Miiamoto

103:12 Mousashi path and I think that the

103:16 problem with uh

103:18 anything anything extreme but also

103:21 fleeting and athletic performance is

103:24 fleeting if you're at the very best you

103:27 have a couple of decades at the very

103:30 best if you're really lucky you have a

103:32 couple of decades to define your you as

103:35 a competitor but then your body will

103:37 give out your age will win the the the

103:40 the beating that your body takes from

103:43 all the training and all the competing

103:45 eventually you're not going to be able

103:46 to perform at that level anymore and

103:48 you're going to fall off and you see it

103:50 with fighters it's it's really hard with

103:52 professional fighters where their whole

103:55 identity is wrapped up in being a

103:57 champion their whole identity is being

103:59 the king of the hill and then they're no

104:01 longer the king of the hill and

104:02 sometimes it happens very rapidly

104:05 sometimes it happens over the course of

104:06 just one or two fights you go from being

104:09 the pound-for-pound best in the world to

104:11 a guy who nobody thinks is going to win

104:12 the title again like that so six months

104:15 later you're in a totally different

104:16 reality you're in a depressed reality

104:19 and then maybe you are physically

104:20 depressed because maybe you got really

104:22 hurt in your last fight so you're

104:24 probably suffering from some brain

104:26 damage so you've got endocrine

104:28 disruption your pituitary glands

104:30 probably [ __ ] your cortisol levels are

104:33 through the roof your hormone levels are

104:35 all [ __ ] up you might have a hard time

104:37 losing weight you know you're you're

104:39 you're you're tired and depressed

104:41 because your your levels are all [ __ ]

104:43 up on your hormones because you're you

104:44 you basically got your brains beat in

104:46 six months your capacity to fix the very

104:48 problem has been taken away from you

104:49 yeah and you you see it sometimes with

104:51 one fight in a with a fighter you see

104:54 like Tony Ferguson is like my favorite

104:56 example who was the boogeyman the light

104:59 heavyweight the lightweight division of

105:00 the UFC for years for years he was the

105:03 guy who's like this unstoppable force

105:05 that had bottomless cardio never stopped

105:09 coming after you and was just hellbent

105:11 on destruction and beat the [ __ ] out of

105:15 everybody beat the [ __ ] out of everybody

105:16 for years until he fought Justin Gachi

105:20 and Justin Gatei beat him so bad he was

105:23 never the same again he was never the

105:25 same guy again he went from being a

105:28 favorite in the Justin Gi fight I think

105:30 he was a slight favorite going into that

105:32 fight to after the fight was over he got

105:34 stopped in the later rounds and never

105:38 never recovered when do you think that

105:40 was a physical thing or a mental thing

105:42 both more physical than mental um

105:45 because I think Tony's mental his

105:49 fortitude is unstoppable he's just got

105:51 this mindset but I don't think his body

105:53 responded the way I saw him on a stair

105:55 machine with David Gogggins and Gogggins

105:57 is screaming at him to keep going he

105:58 gets off throws up in a bag and gets

106:00 back on the stair no he's an animal his

106:02 mind is unstoppable but at a certain

106:04 point in time particularly when you're

106:06 being tested right so you're doing the

106:08 USADA protocol at the time and now it's

106:12 a drug-free sport so there's no peptides

106:14 there's no there's nothing that can aid

106:16 you in recovery there's uh you know you

106:20 can't supplement your hormones you can't

106:22 recharge your hormone development you

106:25 can't there's there's so many things

106:27 that you can't do because they are in

106:28 fact performance enhancers that would

106:30 help you recover you know if a guy like

106:32 Tony Ferguson after that fight got on

106:34 hormone replacement got on testosterone

106:37 got his levels up pretty high got to a

106:39 point where he could train as hard he

106:40 probably wouldn't have had the slide

106:42 that he had i think part of the slide is

106:44 that everybody has to be natural and

106:47 when you're natural and you get beat up

106:50 a few times you're not the same person

106:52 anymore and you I've seen it many many

106:55 times one bad beating and the guy's done

106:59 it's a a big thing in boxing in boxing

107:02 everybody points to uh Melick Taylor is

107:04 one of the best examples fought Julio

107:06 Cesar Chavez chavez broke him down in

107:09 the fight and then stopped him with like

107:11 a couple seconds to go in the last round

107:13 dropped him and the referee called the

107:15 fight with a couple seconds to go in the

107:16 last round and Melrick Taylor was never

107:18 the same again and he did in interviews

107:22 uh after the fight and the interviews

107:24 after the fight like a couple years

107:25 later pronounced slurring in his words

107:28 um a very clear deterioration of his

107:31 reflexes and his speed very clear

107:33 deterioration in his ability to take a

107:35 punch and even avoid punches his

107:37 reflexes were off have you ever felt any

107:39 TBI stuff from your heritage of doing

107:41 striking no not really i'm sure it made

107:44 me impulsive i'm sure I probably got the

107:46 right amount of brain damage to succeed

107:48 in life i think so because it made me uh

107:51 not I'm not very riskaverse i like risks

107:55 i I I enjoy them i I get a thrill out of

107:58 uh taking chances i'm not afraid to fail

108:01 i don't mind because I know that failure

108:03 produces some of the best results every

108:06 time I've ever failed at anything I've

108:08 always The humiliation and the pain of

108:10 it has always forced me to work so much

108:11 harder failure in comedy is a gigantic

108:14 blessing if you have one good bombing

108:16 woo it sucks like sucking a thousand

108:19 dicks in front of your mother but when

108:20 it's over you realize that that can

108:23 happen you [ __ ] tighten up your

108:24 battleship some of the biggest like

108:27 growth leaps that I've seen in comics

108:29 and and even in fighters is a

108:32 humiliating loss yeah there's a a

108:34 special category of lesson that I've

108:36 been thinking about it's one that you

108:38 can only learn by sort of having gone

108:40 through it and I think that bombing on

108:42 stage or having a poor performance I

108:44 think that that's one of them so I think

108:46 most of them you only learn by going

108:47 through them you learn something from

108:49 watching other people's mistakes which

108:50 is why I've never done cocaine uhhuh but

108:53 maybe if I did do cocaine I would have

108:55 been sober a long time ago and I would

108:57 have had a much better understanding of

109:00 the abyss cocaine is a performance

109:02 enhancer yeah it's it's strange you know

109:04 no matter sort of how arduous or costly

109:06 or effortful it's going to be for us to

109:08 find out these things for ourselves for

109:10 some reason we insist on disregarding

109:14 the mountains of warnings that we have

109:16 from our elders and historical

109:19 catastrophes and public scandals and

109:22 film and TV and we think some version of

109:27 Yeah that might be true for them mhm but

109:29 not for me it's the like watch me do

109:31 this mom mentality and uh yeah we decide

109:34 to learn the hard lessons the hard way

109:37 over and over again and unfortunately it

109:39 always seems to be the big things you

109:40 know it's never about how to charmingly

109:42 introduce yourself at a cocktail party

109:44 or put up a level set of shelves it's

109:47 never that it's always We spend most of

109:50 our lives learning firsthand the

109:53 warnings that previous generations gave

109:54 us over and over again and then one day

109:56 you're like I'm going to throw all my

109:57 money in crypto and then you will know

110:01 about that but that's one of them one of

110:03 them is money won't make you happy right

110:05 fame isn't going to fix your self worth

110:08 you don't love that pretty girl she's

110:09 just hot and difficult to get um you

110:12 will regret working too much worrying

110:15 isn't aiding your performance um nothing

110:18 is as important as you think it is when

110:20 you're thinking about it like over and

110:22 over again you should see your parents

110:24 more all your worries are a waste of

110:26 time like these Yeah it it's perfectly

110:29 okay to cut toxic people out of your

110:30 life like these are so trit they're such

110:34 basic [ __ ]

110:36 insights because everybody has heard

110:38 them before but if they're so basic why

110:41 does everyone who ends up arriving at

110:43 them talk about them as if they've just

110:45 had religious revelation you know what I

110:48 mean like they have this further to

110:50 them

110:52 about why it is so important for you to

110:56 listen that we couldn't have seen this

110:58 coming how could we have seen this

110:59 coming it's like it is in every single

111:02 fable and story from the rest of time

111:05 and I think that the one of the reasons

111:08 this happens is if you don't have a

111:10 thing looking at somebody who has that

111:12 thing they have the solution to your

111:14 problem m if you don't have money you

111:17 believe that by having money you would

111:19 all of your problems would be fixed if

111:21 you don't have fame you believe that

111:22 fame is the thing that's going to get if

111:24 you don't have the girl you think that

111:25 getting the girl is going to do those

111:26 things and it is only by getting there

111:28 and looking back and going

111:31 the issue that I thought would be fixed

111:33 by getting the thing wasn't fixed no

111:36 [ __ ] i need to look deeper so not only

111:39 do we refuse to sort of learn the

111:41 lessons if you talk about this on the

111:43 internet if you have a rich person on

111:45 who says "You know what man i I earned a

111:46 couple of billion dollars and uh I'm

111:49 still I'm still pretty miserable." Or

111:50 you you bring some actress on and she

111:52 says "You know all of the fame and stuff

111:54 like that it really didn't fix my self

111:56 worth." The internet hates that it's a

112:00 very

112:01 contentious point to bring up and I

112:04 think that we believe our particular

112:06 mental makeup

112:08 would allow us to dance through this

112:10 minefield yeah right no no no my unique

112:13 inner landscape would be solved yes by

112:16 this problem especially men watch me

112:18 dance through this minefield avoid all

112:20 of the trip wires do a couple of

112:22 pirouetses and I won't kick any of them

112:25 and then you kick one and you realize oh

112:29 [ __ ] this this worry of mine was so much

112:32 more deeply rooted than the thing that's

112:34 from outside but I genuinely believe

112:35 that you kind of need to learn it

112:38 yourself i don't think you can uh I've

112:40 got Naval on the show on Sunday and he's

112:41 got this he's [ __ ] phenomenal i think

112:43 that by the way the one that you did

112:45 with him in 2019 is the best podcast

112:47 episode of all time really that two

112:49 hours yeah it's just one I've gone back

112:50 maybe it's just like personally

112:51 meaningful to me but uh I must have

112:53 listened to that I think more than any

112:54 other he's very wise very wise person

112:58 although he did tell me that if he could

113:00 invest more money in Clubhouse he would

113:02 have and I was I was we were talking on

113:05 the phone i was like "Dude I think this

113:07 is just bad podcasting i don't think I

113:10 don't think there's but Clubhouse took

113:13 off during the pandemic because people

113:14 found themselves at home and you know

113:17 it's kind of cool to be able to hop on

113:18 to a call with a bunch of other people

113:20 and you're basically sharing ideas with

113:23 people you've never met before and

113:24 intellectually sparring and people loved

113:26 it." But I was like "Bro when the world

113:28 reopens I did it with Tim Dylan we did

113:30 an episode once and uh and he was like

113:32 "Yeah it goes out there and then you

113:34 know no one ever has." I go "Bullshit

113:36 people are recording this right now." I

113:37 go "It's going to be online." And it was

113:39 online immediately immediately i go

113:41 "This is nonsense." Like it's like uh at

113:43 the mother ship making people put their

113:45 phones in the bag but you can reopen the

113:46 bag it's like that if you could reopen

113:48 the bag yeah yeah but you can reopen the

113:50 bag it's like I'm allowed to do this and

113:52 just take it it's like everything's not

113:54 Yeah it's a real interesting one but

113:56 he's got this quote where he says uh

113:58 it's far easier to achieve our material

114:00 desires than it is to renounce them

114:04 but it's much easier for you to drive a

114:05 beat up Chevy truck if your last car was

114:07 a Ferrari sure yeah because you've

114:09 closed that loop that what if i wonder

114:11 what I wonder if it is the money i

114:12 wonder if it is the fame i wonder if it

114:13 is the But it depends on the circles

114:15 you're keeping too because if you're

114:16 keeping circles that are valuing those

114:19 those items that show like you've

114:22 achieved milestones you know the there's

114:25 a bunch of people that they they you

114:27 know you don't have a Maybach oh you you

114:30 have a this keeping up with the Joneses

114:32 [ __ ] house oh your house is not in

114:34 the best neighborhood huh i was thinking

114:36 about um why I'm attracted to some of my

114:40 friends like why I like to spend time

114:42 with some over others and uh I sort of

114:46 realized this this interesting dynamic

114:48 that I hadn't really heard get talked

114:50 about much which is we think that we

114:52 want to be charismatic like we think we

114:54 want to step into a room and our stories

114:56 are electric and our energy the aura

114:59 everyone's super impressed by us i

115:01 didn't actually notice that that was the

115:03 sort of people that I was choosing to

115:04 hang around with there's this story

115:06 about Jenny Jerome who was Winston

115:07 Churchill's mother and she gets to dine

115:09 with uh William Gladstone and Benjamin

115:11 Draeli the prime minister and the um uh

115:16 opponent one night after the other and

115:19 she says "After I left the dinner with

115:20 Gladstone I left feeling like he was the

115:22 smartest person in England and after I

115:24 left the dinner with Draeli I felt like

115:26 I was the smartest woman in England."

115:29 And I think this really helps to explain

115:33 why we're why we gravitate towards

115:36 certain people some people feel

115:38 interesting and around some people we

115:42 feel interesting

115:43 and that's my favorite sort of person i

115:45 think charis charisma being charismatic

115:48 being energizing it's the sort of thing

115:50 lots of people are seduced by they love

115:51 the sound of it but it's kind of like

115:54 developing real charisma like Matthew

115:56 McCconor has sit opposite this guy and

115:57 he's [ __ ] oozing charisma but it's

116:00 way easier to be interested than it is

116:02 to be interesting and it gets you

116:04 probably 80% 90% of the way there just

116:07 by caring asking questions thinking "Huh

116:10 I want to know what you think about this

116:12 that's cool Joe tell me about tell me

116:14 more about that." And why do you think

116:15 that you're built that way right and it

116:17 helps i mean people just love to talk

116:18 about themselves and the other thing is

116:20 you know everything that you know you

116:22 know barely anything that the other

116:23 person knows right and I mean this is

116:25 why our job is largely the most selfish

116:27 one that we could do we've Hey smart

116:30 person come on here and tell me about

116:31 your entire life's work tell the least

116:33 educated person in the room about what

116:35 it is that you've spent your time doing

116:37 yeah and it's

116:40 also it's very beneficial for the people

116:42 that are listening which is another

116:44 service that it provides like you get to

116:46 be you like the person listening to your

116:48 podcast gets to be you as you interview

116:52 these spectacular people mh so they get

116:54 to like like "Oh yeah why why did why

116:58 did you do that?" And then you say "Why

116:59 did you do that?" Like "Yeah good

117:01 question."

117:02 You know what it feels like it feels

117:04 like watching a sports game sometimes I

117:05 think the best conversations whether

117:07 they're around a table or a podcast or

117:09 whatever it feels like watching a sports

117:11 match and the two teams are kind of

117:13 working together to get the ball in the

117:14 goal and you get all excited and you're

117:16 like "Oh he's going to do this." Oh head

117:17 kick that's what I wanted yeah and um

117:20 yeah if you're ever listening to

117:21 something I'm sure that this maybe

117:23 happened to people listening to this

117:24 episode they go "Fuck I hope he asks him

117:26 about the he asked him about the thing."

117:28 And yeah there's this sense that there's

117:29 a third participant not just Jamie in

117:31 the room where's Carl

117:35 i just realized there should be a fourth

117:37 part at home carl snores a lot he's

117:40 chilling okay he's a sound risk see him

117:42 a little bit sometimes he gets a little

117:45 loud and while the podcast is going on

117:47 you hear like nudge him roll him over

117:51 make him shut up yeah i um It depends on

117:54 who I'm talking to like if I'm talking

117:55 to like like a theoretical physicist and

117:57 there's like some very difficult thing

117:59 to grasp and you hear Carl snoring it

118:02 becomes a little bit of an issue if it's

118:03 coming through the headphones god damn

118:05 it he's loud sleep train sleep train

118:07 that dog no you can't he's gotten older

118:08 he can handle it he needs a CPAP

118:11 doggy CPAP [ __ ] have you seen what their

118:14 faces look like when the skulls

118:17 bulldog skulls no oh it's horrible what

118:19 they've done to them through selective

118:21 breeding just slowly slowly just shove

118:23 their [ __ ] skull it's all twisted

118:27 where their sinuses are like

118:28 non-existent

118:30 they're their their whole face is just

118:32 smooshed in so we can't really complain

118:34 about the snoring well I mean we did it

118:36 to them they used to be wolves yeah yeah

118:38 yeah they used to be a wolf yeah i uh I

118:41 told you about that man crush that I had

118:42 last time that unkillable soldier guy

118:45 and uh it sort of sent me down a rabbit

118:46 hole fell in love with stories of crazy

118:49 bastards from history so I found this

118:51 other dude called Ao Kovenan oh I've

118:53 heard of that guy the Finnish soldier

118:55 yeah so he is out on patrol with a bunch

118:58 of Finnish soldiers small group and they

119:02 come upon a Soviet force way bigger than

119:04 they are they can't fight them so they

119:06 have to flee as they're fleeing they're

119:08 skiing away through the snow and the

119:11 force is way bigger ammo is at the front

119:13 and he's trailblazing trying to break

119:14 free from this group but he can't go

119:16 fast enough if they get caught they're

119:18 going to be captured or killed or worse

119:19 so he needs to speed up he doesn't know

119:21 how he's carrying the entire patrols

119:24 supply of pervertin now pervertin was a

119:29 German miracle drug that was used to

119:31 keep soldiers awake during the war meth

119:33 it's otherwise known Yep as

119:35 methamphetamine and uh he decided I mean

119:39 you might think this this wasn't just

119:40 any normal meth right this was

119:44 pharmaceutical-grade wartime human

119:46 horsepower right it was the most intense

119:49 so you might

119:50 think tolerating the dose could be a

119:53 good idea uh there's a rumor that

119:55 apparently it had melted in his pocket

119:56 but whatever he did he took 30 people's

119:58 worth he took 30 soldiers worth of meth

120:01 the entire packet just ate the entire

120:02 packet whoa

120:05 unsurprisingly he manages to break away

120:07 from the pursuing Soviets and he leads

120:09 his group away so they they chill out on

120:12 the far side once they're finally free

120:15 and they notice that Amos's behaving a

120:17 little bit oddly and he seems to be a

120:19 danger to himself and to them so they

120:21 take his ammo out of his rifle and they

120:23 take his knife off him and they're sort

120:25 of putting stuff away in the pack they

120:26 turn around and he's gone like [ __ ]

120:29 where's ammo gone he skis for 63 miles

120:32 on his own just skis away doesn't really

120:34 know what he's doing he's in this sort

120:36 of fever dream thing lays down goes to

120:38 sleep wakes up the next day no idea

120:40 where he is doesn't know where his group

120:42 is doesn't know where the squadron is

120:44 doesn't know where he is immediately

120:45 sees a Soviet soldier over the far side

120:47 raises his rifle click [ __ ] they took my

120:50 ammo hulls the rifle at this Soviet

120:53 soldier and he explodes in a cloud of

120:55 white dust turns out that it wasn't a

120:57 Soviet soldier it was a tree branch with

120:59 snow on it and that he's actually

121:00 hallucinating so he's in a fullon fever

121:03 dream now whoa oh imagine this Soviet

121:06 soldier throws the the gun at him he

121:08 explodes he's like "Fuck okay I need to

121:10 I need to find my squadron how am I

121:12 going to get back to them?" So he

121:14 decides to just try and navigate around

121:16 for a couple of hours and he sees him

121:17 over the far side sees a fire and he

121:19 sees his group over the far side it's

121:20 way far away so he skis for another two

121:22 hours turns out that it wasn't his

121:24 squadron it was more Soviet soldiers so

121:26 he just skis straight through the middle

121:28 of the camp all of these guys

121:31 immediately chase after him but there's

121:32 no chat like he's the [ __ ] LeBron

121:33 James of meth right you're

121:37 not you're not catching this guy so he

121:40 goes straight through again second night

121:43 finds a hut finds a wooden cabin in the

121:45 middle of the the snow decides to set a

121:48 fire but he doesn't set it in the

121:50 fireplace sets it in the middle of the

121:53 wooden hut and throughout the night he

121:55 sort of shuff shuffles himself further

121:58 and further away for some reason his

121:59 back's getting a little bit warm and he

122:00 keeps on sort of shuffling himself

122:02 further and further away he wakes up the

122:04 next morning on the outside of the hut

122:06 and it's completely burned down so he's

122:08 burned the only the only bit the only

122:11 structure that was going to give him any

122:12 safety he's managed to burn it to the

122:14 ground and as he wakes up again sort of

122:17 may have noticed that this is a

122:18 recurring theme a Wolverine attacks him

122:21 65b Wolverine [ __ ] fangs yellow eyes

122:25 attacks him so AO uses his knife kills

122:28 this Wolverine fight to the death kills

122:30 it but then he realizes I don't have a

122:32 knife because my soldiers took it from

122:34 me it was his compass which was the only

122:37 thing he could use to navigate himself

122:38 he'd smashed his compass to bits and

122:40 then he looks down and it wasn't a

122:41 Wolverine it was a tree log so he

122:44 smashed his compass on a tree log

122:45 thinking it was a 65lb Wolverine he's

122:48 still just deep deep in the hole

122:51 continues to ski around he's trying to

122:53 find someone trying to find any way

122:55 marker that he can now with no way to

122:57 navigate he's got no compass he's got no

122:58 no weapon i mean the rifle that's got no

123:01 ammunition in it he finds a Soviet

123:03 forward operating base but you'll know

123:06 this a lot of the time when armies left

123:09 these behind they booby trapped the [ __ ]

123:12 out of them they booby trapped

123:14 everything so he walks onto the middle

123:16 of the Ford operating base immediately

123:18 gets exploded by a landmine foot gets

123:20 blown so he's laid there in the snow

123:22 kind of waiting to die and one day later

123:25 he's not dead so he's like "Well [ __ ] it

123:27 i might as well try and get into the

123:28 forward operating base." Gets up

123:30 continues to go forward opens the door

123:33 to the door there's no foot uh it's

123:35 damaged it's severely damaged gets

123:38 toward the front of the operating base

123:40 opens the door there's another booby

123:41 trap there that explodes him and the

123:43 door like 20 yards backward he just lays

123:45 there in the snow waiting to die he lays

123:47 there for about five or six days waiting

123:49 to die and he's melting uh snow in a

123:52 little tin can thing like melting it so

123:55 that he can drink a little bit of water

123:57 he's got this door on him he thinks

123:58 "Well someone's going to find me it's

123:59 going to be the Soviets they're going to

124:00 kill me or I'm just going to die." So he

124:02 waits death doesn't come three Finnish

124:06 soldiers come upon him of all of the

124:07 different nationalities of all of the

124:09 different people three Finnish soldiers

124:10 come upon him and he thinks "Finally

124:12 after all of this time after being

124:13 confused after getting lost I'm going to

124:15 be saved." They say "It's okay we can

124:16 take you back we can we can save you and

124:18 take you back." And the front guy of the

124:20 three fins steps on a landmine blows

124:23 himself up and the other two are like

124:25 "Hey man uh there's kind of a priority

124:27 list here and you're at the bottom and

124:29 he's at the top so we're going to take

124:30 him back but just hold on for another

124:31 couple of days we'll come back and we'll

124:33 save you." They go away and he just

124:35 thinks "They're not going to find me

124:36 again they're going to forget they're

124:37 not going to be able to come back

124:38 someone's going to kill me before I

124:40 before they do or I'm going to die or

124:41 whatever." But they do they managed to

124:42 come back they managed to get him and

124:43 they take him back to the medical bay 14

124:46 days was how long he'd been traveling

124:49 around he'd moved 250 mi in this time

124:54 his resting heart rate was 200 beats per

124:58 minute and he weighed 98 lb

125:03 he'd survived this entire time on

125:06 meth water that he'd melted down into a

125:08 tin cup a couple of pine nut things that

125:11 he'd melted too and a single Siberian

125:13 jay that he beat to death with his ski

125:16 pole and just ate raw and he lived until

125:18 he was in his 70s died in like 1989 and

125:21 just lived a great

125:23 life [ __ ] love that story dude this

125:27 meth fueled Finnish maniac just like

125:29 skiing through everything setting [ __ ]

125:31 on fire hallucinating getting blown up

125:34 twice survived it meth's a hell of a

125:36 drug maybe you should have done it maybe

125:38 I should try now it's amazing what was

125:41 accomplished on

125:42 amphetamines i mean uh Norman Oler's

125:45 book Blitz I loved those episodes that

125:47 you did with Yeah incredible it's just

125:49 an incredible story that they they

125:52 literally went through Poland in three

125:55 days just me out of their [ __ ] minds

125:58 and the most the most meth was given to

126:00 the people at the very front the people

126:01 that driving the tanks they were the

126:03 most cranked up because they'll drive

126:05 the rest of the group forward yeah and

126:07 also they have to be the most psychotic

126:09 cuz you're you're going to be the first

126:11 people to encounter resistance uh so you

126:13 need to be the most riskaverse oh the

126:16 least risk averse least risk averse the

126:18 most maniacal and murderous i wonder you

126:21 know this kind of a debate around how

126:23 much of Hitler's behavior was because of

126:26 Hitler and how much was amplified

126:28 worsened by the drugs that he was on

126:30 that Theodore Morell that crazy kooky

126:32 doctor that he had injecting him with

126:34 bullsemen he's getting [ __ ] cocaine

126:38 everything yeah a lot of it had to do

126:40 with that it had to i mean it had to it

126:43 It's a factor it's a giant factor just

126:46 how much of it what would have been like

126:48 what would the wars have been like were

126:50 there no math I mean that's probably the

126:53 first amphetamine fueled war right was

126:56 World War I fueled by empetamines did

126:59 they have inetamines back

127:00 then I mean I don't know what you do to

127:05 get people to go over the top to certain

127:07 death like how do you I mean you

127:09 motivate people by everybody else doing

127:10 it I suppose it's sort of crowd behavior

127:12 in that way well they know that meth was

127:13 given to the kamicazi soldiers Mhm mhm

127:16 which makes sense i mean what it's a

127:19 great way to just going to fly that

127:21 plane right into that boat you're like

127:22 "What?" Having a great time sure yeah um

127:24 no i'm going to fly to a [ __ ] island

127:26 and hide uh during World War I

127:29 militaries used cocaine and other drugs

127:31 for medicinal purposes and to enhance

127:34 performance so

127:36 cocaine uh the British army sold cocaine

127:39 containing pills under the brand name

127:41 for March that is the best branding in

127:44 the world increase endurance suppress

127:46 appetite 1960 British Army Council

127:48 banned the unauthorized sale of

127:50 psychoactive drugs does wonder why they

127:53 did that they didn't want to win you

127:55 don't want to have fun what are you the

127:56 [ __ ] fun police wow that's pretty

127:58 crazy yeah what they is it go pills is

128:01 that what they give to fighter pilots

128:03 yeah they give them something um British

128:06 Army's pill number nine what's that

128:10 pill number nine was just a strong

128:12 laxative this is AI lies what was in

128:15 there specific medication used by

128:18 British army during World War I primary

128:20 ingredient pill number nine was

128:22 colamel mercurious chloride a mercury

128:26 based compound used to treat intestinal

128:29 infections and other ailments oh okay

128:31 just massive diarrhea pills i don't know

128:33 how that's a performance enhancer yeah I

128:35 don't think it is if your stomach h

128:37 maybe just clear it out feel like on

128:40 your feet i don't It seems like the

128:41 cocaine be more effective to I'm I mean

128:43 cocaine will make you go to the bathroom

128:45 as well so for accomplish our goals yeah

128:47 you know you said uh you said before

128:49 about sort of that self- authoring thing

128:52 like taking control of my own life my

128:54 friend George has got this uh great

128:56 question where he says you're stuck in a

128:58 third world prison and you get one phone

129:00 call to ring somebody oh yeah to get you

129:03 out who' you ring

129:06 and that idea I love because it helps

129:08 you to identify who the highest agency

129:10 person is in your life who is it that

129:13 can think on their feet that doesn't

129:14 need permission to go and do anything

129:16 that'll overcome obstacles that is this

129:18 sort of yeah permissionless reality

129:22 bender right who would you call i don't

129:24 know man that's a good question

129:29 that's a really good question I'd have

129:30 to really think about also I don't know

129:32 anybody's number that's true yeah I

129:35 guess can I Instagram DM them is that

129:37 all right can I log in actually can you

129:38 give me my funks i got two factor

129:39 authentication on this is going to be

129:41 really awkward is that all right can I I

129:42 need to do that yeah i mean I would be

129:45 tempted to ring Tim Kennedy i think he

129:47 would probably be quite high up on my

129:48 list yeah he would help you a lot if I

129:50 had access to my phone yeah dirty deeds

129:53 done dirt cheap

129:55 correct yeah i mean it might be a bit

129:57 gratuitous i get I get the sense that he

129:59 would take more pleasure in getting me

130:01 out than would be necessary you know

130:03 what I mean yeah probably

130:05 yeah i don't know

130:07 man that's got to be the worst place to

130:09 be in the world foreign prison with no

130:12 way to call

130:13 somebody you know this is the criticism

130:17 about these uh illegal aliens that have

130:19 been shipped off to what is it el

130:22 Salvador is it El Salvador that they're

130:24 they have the super prisons yeah I think

130:27 that's we spoke about this last time

130:28 that was just as they'd been created

130:29 these football stadiums sized

130:31 monstrosities they essentially got all

130:33 the gang members off the streets and

130:35 locked them up and dropped crime

130:37 radically dropped violence radically

130:40 they essentially said enough of this

130:42 we're just going to go after all these

130:44 gang members and lock them all up and

130:47 the criticism about these uh

130:51 deportes that were sending people over

130:54 there we're sending plane loads of

130:55 people over there like what if you're in

130:58 that group and you're not guilty of

131:01 anything what if you're just a guy who

131:03 came over here from Mexico and you're a

131:05 tattoo artist us deports 250 alleged

131:08 gang members to El Salvador despite

131:10 court ruling to halt flights yeah

131:12 there's a court ruling to halt the

131:13 flights but here's the thing if they are

131:16 gang members if they are trend trend or

131:20 you know those gang members that Yeah if

131:22 that if it's that's real then this all

131:25 makes sense but the fear is that there's

131:28 going to be certain people that are

131:29 rounded up in this that are are not

131:33 guilty collateral damage right and then

131:35 these poor people are going to be

131:37 trapped in this El Salvador prison and

131:39 no one's going to believe them that

131:40 they're innocent it says it all that El

131:42 Salvador has got a reputation for being

131:44 so good at prison and law enforcement

131:47 that they're [ __ ] importing people

131:50 over there mhm and it's like oh we need

131:52 to you said before if I've got a bad

131:54 knee I want to go to the guy that looks

131:55 after the Lakers it's like you're the

131:57 Lakers PT doc of the rehabilitation

131:59 world it's not even rehabilitation I

132:01 suppose just incarceration world yeah

132:02 it's just incarceration and there's

132:04 probably a financial incentive we

132:06 probably pay them to house these

132:07 prisoners but the question is are we

132:11 sure like how many of these people are

132:14 being accused of being gang members

132:16 because maybe they tattoo gang members

132:18 you know maybe they were caught up in a

132:20 raid and maybe they are friends of gang

132:22 members maybe there's an artist who

132:24 happens to be an illegal or maybe

132:26 they're someone who's working on a

132:27 construction site and they get rounded

132:29 up and they get shipped over there you

132:31 know that that's a legitimate

132:34 question when you're uh arresting people

132:37 and prosecuting people and your goal is

132:38 to arrest people and prosecute people

132:40 you do your best at that and the

132:43 question is how many people get arrested

132:45 and prosecuted that are innocent well in

132:47 the real world what we know is quite a

132:49 few quite a few i mean I do a lot of

132:51 podcasts with my good friend Josh Dubin

132:54 who's spent a considerable amount of his

132:56 life helping innocent people get out of

132:59 jail that's his you know his main thing

133:02 that he does is work with unjustly

133:06 prosecuted people and you find the

133:07 levels of corruption to be horrific the

133:11 prosecutors DAs the the amount of

133:14 corrupt judges it's shocking it's

133:17 shocking when you lay the facts of these

133:19 cases out like the Ohio 4 these people

133:22 that were in jail proven that one of

133:24 them could not have possibly been there

133:27 when the crime is committed and still

133:28 was in there for 30 years um the actual

133:32 guy who was the informant came out and

133:35 said that he was told to say all these

133:37 things it's all lies then was told when

133:40 they were going to bring it to trial

133:42 again you will be arrested for telling

133:45 lies now you will either be arrested you

133:49 will either be arrested because you're

133:51 lying now or you'll be arrested for

133:53 telling lies previously so he then he

133:56 won't This is like that thing you know

133:58 uh if she thinks she's not a witch and

134:00 if she floats she is right right right

134:02 right yeah yeah it's crazy it's crazy

134:05 and then there's the the game aspect of

134:07 it the game aspect of it is victory

134:10 right if you're a prosecutor your your

134:12 job is to arrest people and prosecute

134:14 them and convict them that's your job

134:16 that's what your your your self-worth

134:19 who you are as a prosecutor your

134:21 reputation is based on success yeah your

134:24 your record your perfect record of this

134:26 many convictions and it's the same with

134:28 cops unfortunately a lot of cops are

134:32 their their whole thing is making arrest

134:35 making arrests it's a shame isn't it you

134:37 know you talked about the fire service

134:39 earlier on three emergency services fire

134:42 police and ambulance when the fire

134:45 service turns up anywhere

134:47 I don't think that there's any issues

134:48 people I I don't know whether how often

134:51 firefighters find themselves up against

134:53 a crowd that's unhappy maybe I guess if

134:55 it was a riot of some kind perhaps but

134:57 for the most part it's a hero that's

135:00 coming to save the cat stuck in a tree

135:02 the house that's on fire the baby that's

135:04 upstairs like hooray well done for you

135:06 yeah a medical service turns up and

135:09 somebody's really badly hurt or

135:11 somebody's broken some kid at Yeah some

135:13 kid at a sports match has broken their

135:15 leg thank you so much please look after

135:17 them look after them and then the police

135:19 done it and the reaction could not be

135:21 more different

135:23 and I don't know i I I understand that

135:27 there's a particular type

135:28 of control that cops have that sort of

135:33 firefighters and and EMTs firefighters

135:35 and EMTs are doing stuff exclusively

135:38 sort of in service of others whereas

135:39 cops are doing something that sort of

135:41 subtracts away but it must be tough like

135:43 if you're a good cop especially now

135:45 especially after the last few years

135:47 it must be hard because you want to feel

135:49 proud about your job it's unbelievably

135:50 hard but it's also very hard to get

135:51 people that are good people to sign up

135:53 for it now because they don't want that

135:54 abuse i wonder if that's been reversed

135:57 over the last few years i mean I mean I

136:00 bet it has in certain jurisdictions in

136:02 certain areas where they've valued cops

136:06 and you know this whole defund the

136:08 police thing was just so wild it was so

136:10 crazy to see that people would think

136:12 that that would be a good idea and even

136:14 to espouse it publicly to erode public

136:17 confidence in law enforcement just at

136:20 large you notice that that's largely

136:23 dropped off now no one's really talking

136:25 about didn't work it would have had the

136:27 opposite effect crime escalated and the

136:29 people that lived in the communities

136:31 wanted the cops back in the areas that

136:34 were the worst affected as well it's a

136:36 luxury belief yeah it's something that's

136:38 held by the upper classes that only

136:40 impact the lower classes yeah and it's

136:42 also a thing that the political

136:44 establishment will use as a a tool to

136:47 align you with them you know people will

136:50 say it like Kla Harris in 2019 was

136:53 saying I mean defund the police we

136:55 should defund the police which is just

136:57 crazy to say you need to fund them more

136:59 train them better you know they they

137:02 need training the way military groups

137:04 need training constantly consistently

137:07 and you know they're encountering

137:09 horrific things i mean my friends who

137:11 have been cops

137:13 and you know and have served overseas

137:16 will tell you most of them will tell you

137:18 that they suffered more PTSD as cops

137:20 than they have even in the military yeah

137:23 depending upon your service depending on

137:24 what you had to do but a lot of them

137:26 it's just like every day you're seeing

137:28 some nightmarish situation horrific

137:31 violence domestic violence child abuse

137:34 murdered kids you're seeing so much

137:37 horror and then your version of reality

137:41 is is based on your experiences your

137:43 experiences are horrific every day do

137:45 you think you'd be able to switch off if

137:47 you had a job like that you'd be able to

137:49 partition compartmentalize i wouldn't

137:51 even ever guess that I could pull it off

137:54 i I wouldn't even guess i I don't think

137:56 anybody even understands what that even

137:59 means unless you've shown up and seen

138:01 some guy's brains blown out all over the

138:03 curb for for nothing for some stupid

138:06 argument about nothing you know when you

138:08 you've seen some woman get shot in front

138:11 of her kid by the husband you know you

138:13 you you have no idea no one has any idea

138:17 you you don't know unless you experience

138:18 it and then you have to go home to your

138:20 own children go home to your own wife

138:22 and you're just you your brain is on

138:25 fire you know your your soul is just in

138:29 agony we were we're watching a video the

138:31 other day of this guy who had to shoot

138:33 this guy this cop this guy was something

138:36 was wrong it was clearly mentally

138:38 unstable was yelling was you know

138:42 telling everybody what he was going to

138:43 do they tased him that didn't work then

138:45 he's charging at this cop and the cop

138:48 shoots him and then the cop's sobbing

138:49 and shaking and his partner's telling

138:52 him to breathe how to breathe and he's

138:54 just probably the first person he ever

138:57 had to

138:58 kill it's horrible it's horrible and

139:02 that's that's he succeeded he's he

139:05 stopped a a threat and he you know it

139:09 was justified this person was trying to

139:11 kill him what about pulling people over

139:14 and the windows are all tinted and they

139:16 won't roll down the windows you're

139:18 standing there vulnerable it could be a

139:19 shotgun inches away from your face and

139:21 you have no idea and they've all seen

139:23 all these videos where people get gunned

139:25 down you pull people over all a sudden

139:27 the back window explodes with machine

139:29 gun fire i mean they they live with that

139:33 every day they live with that fear every

139:35 day and then they have to hear this

139:36 rhetoric everywhere of defund the police

139:38 and calling cops pigs and it's crazy

139:41 it's crazy and it it it ultimately

139:44 destroys the fabric of our

139:46 society and you know there's plenty of

139:50 evidence that cops have done bad things

139:52 it's not excusing the bad cops there's

139:55 bad plumbers there's bad car mechanics

139:57 there's bad everything and there's

139:59 people that shouldn't be cops and when

140:01 you see a video of someone who shouldn't

140:03 be cop shouldn't be a cop and is you

140:06 know on their last nerve and snaps at

140:08 someone or overreacts at someone or or

140:11 brutalizes someone totally unnecessarily

140:14 it gives you a very distorted perception

140:16 of the average encounter that a person

140:18 has with police officers because most of

140:20 the interactions that people have with

140:22 police officers are fine most of them

140:24 the vast majority no one gets hurt no

140:27 one goes to jail most of them you know

140:30 but you see the ones that go sideways

140:32 and then you think these are what cops

140:34 are doing they're out there trying to

140:35 kill people well that's one of the

140:37 disadvantages I suppose of the way the

140:39 algorithms work that edge cases that are

140:42 unbelievable and shocking are the ones

140:44 that catch the most fire right and what

140:46 it creates is it moves the fringe to the

140:48 middle because most of what you see by

140:51 design is the stuff that's the most

140:53 outlandish and then it gets used as a

140:54 political tool correct you mentioned

140:57 about uh Biden and Camala what what do

141:00 you think you do if you're either of

141:03 them now like Trump's just running

141:05 ragged flying high having all of this

141:07 fun like what are they doing like what

141:10 do you do when you've lost a two people

141:12 have lost a campaign in the space of six

141:13 months i don't know tim Tim Walsh is out

141:15 there talking again he say he could

141:17 fight any Trump supporter yeah he said

141:20 he'd kick their ass and they're they're

141:22 scared of him because he could fix a

141:23 truck like it was they're threatened by

141:25 his masculinity i know how to fix a

141:26 truck that's what he said like do you i

141:30 bet you don't the lady doth protest too

141:32 much i bet you don't i fear i I bet if I

141:34 bring a broken truck to you and a bag of

141:36 tools you're [ __ ] that was the That

141:38 was kind of the redress right that was

141:40 the attempt it was like we're going to

141:42 the the symbol of masculinity on the

141:44 left is going to be Tim Waltz it was

141:46 Aragon aragon from Lord of the Rings and

141:49 Tim Waltz yeah it's so crazy i just

141:52 don't I think they're lost i mean

141:54 they're also lost in that they can't

141:55 control the narrative anymore i think

141:57 when they had control of Twitter and

141:58 they had control of all essentially all

142:01 of social media and pre-Trump they had

142:04 the reigns like firmly held they were in

142:08 control of the public narrative if you

142:10 strayed from that you will be kicked off

142:12 social media you'll be banned from

142:14 YouTube you were I mean and for things

142:16 that were factually correct like the lab

142:18 leak theory is now finally being

142:20 embraced by the New York Times the New

142:22 York Times I don't know if you saw that

142:23 article the other day they said we we

142:25 were misled like bro you misled us we

142:29 were misled by ourselves they There was

142:31 a big bed in the New York Times that has

142:33 people up in arms because they're like

142:34 "Fucking duh you're finally Did you do

142:37 you know where it is i could send it to

142:39 you i saved it because it's so

142:41 ridiculous it's so ridiculous i was like

142:44 "What are you saying how are you saying

142:46 that?" It was you guys it wasn't just

142:49 some random people that did

142:52 that

142:55 um do you find it anywhere Jamie

142:58 i know i saved it which was it called uh

143:01 it was the New York Times saying that we

143:03 were misled

143:05 there was a big op-ed in the New York

143:06 Times

143:09 i saw people spreading i never saw the

143:11 link yeah I read it it I read it for

143:14 like the first couple chapters but it's

143:16 all duh that the whole thing is just

143:19 [ __ ] duh

143:21 god where did I save it i saved too many

143:23 things i'm a hoarder digital hoarder i'm

143:26 a digital hoarder do you know why that

143:27 happens you know why people hoard stuff

143:29 the interesting way that their brains

143:31 work so no um looking around this table

143:33 you're able to discern between stuff

143:35 that is useful and stuff that isn't

143:37 useful there it is we were badly misled

143:39 about the event that changed our lives

143:41 who you badly misled by do you think you

143:44 guys had a factor in

143:45 [Music]

143:50 that since scientists began playing

143:52 around with dangerous pathogens in

143:54 laboratories the world has experienced

143:55 four or five pandemics depending on how

143:57 you count one of them the 1977 Russian

144:00 flu almost certainly sparked by a

144:01 research mishap some Western scientists

144:03 quickly suspected the odd virus has had

144:06 resided in a lab freezer for a couple of

144:09 decades but they kept mostly quiet for

144:11 fear of ruffling feathers yet in 2020

144:14 when people started speculating that a

144:16 lab accident might have spar been the

144:19 spark that started the CO 19 pandemic

144:21 they were treated like cooks and cranks

144:23 in this newspaper

144:25 many public health officials and

144:27 prominent by the way not by this person

144:28 i'm not blaming this person um many

144:32 public health officials and prominent

144:34 scientists dismissed the idea as a

144:35 conspiracy theory i wonder why they did

144:37 that i wonder if there's an email paper

144:39 trail that's already been established

144:42 there is insisting that a virus had

144:44 emerged from animals in a seafood market

144:46 in Wuhan China and when a nonprofit

144:48 called Ecoalth Alliance lost a great

144:51 grant becau well lost a grant because it

144:54 was planning to conduct risky research

144:56 into bat viruses with the Wuhan

144:58 Institute of Viology research that if

145:00 conducted with lack safety standards

145:02 could have resulted in a dangerous

145:03 pathogen leaking out into the world no

145:05 fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31

145:08 scientific societies lined up to defend

145:11 the organization yeah they defend

145:13 themselves i mean it's appeal to

145:15 authority and they [ __ ] us and you

145:17 guys were a part of it by the way that

145:19 newspaper was a big part of it big part

145:21 of calling the lab leak theory racist

145:24 which was really kooky it's strange that

145:26 everything is concretized on the

145:28 internet for the rest of time yeah you I

145:31 mean people can go back and try and like

145:33 retrograde remove stuff that happened

145:35 but there's always internet archive is

145:36 fantastic for this yeah for the most

145:38 part you could find it and you're

145:40 inspired so how how is it that so many

145:44 U-turns regardless of what it is

145:46 regardless of which side it is the sort

145:48 of permanent state of amnesia that

145:51 everybody's in there was this uh this

145:55 WhatsApp message you ever have one of

145:57 those WhatsApp messages where it says

145:58 forwarded many times yes at the top and

146:00 you're like "Oh this is going to be

146:00 good." Right and uh Yeah it's just it's

146:02 just an advert it's just a banner um

146:05 forwarded many times and it was a single

146:08 squatty a guy in um fatigues walking

146:11 down a street in London and a screenshot

146:13 I think of a text saying that someone

146:15 had said that the army was going to be

146:17 deployed on the streets of London to

146:19 keep everybody in the house through

146:20 martial law that this was how intense

146:22 that the lockdowns were going to get and

146:23 it was going to happen on this

146:24 particular day it goes crazy on Facebook

146:26 crazy on

146:27 WhatsApp never happened and like all of

146:31 the people that shared that that were

146:32 adamant that created all of these

146:34 stories and and and theories around it

146:35 like no one ever actually went to go and

146:38 call those people out about what it was

146:40 that they'd pushed all of the people

146:42 that were adamant global health

146:43 passports the vaccine passport that's

146:45 going to come that's going to happen all

146:46 you

146:47 know I mean the unfalsifiable version of

146:50 it is because we knew that it was going

146:52 to happen they weren't able to do it so

146:54 actually we were the righteous

146:55 resistance in doing the thing and the

146:57 same with whether it's lab leak theory

146:59 whether it's Joe Biden's mental decline

147:01 no matter what it is you can put this

147:03 position out there it's

147:05 [ __ ] fortified on the internet for

147:08 the rest of time and after long enough

147:10 you're like I don't remember that you

147:12 know you're like [ __ ] the most

147:13 gaslighty partner that you've ever been

147:14 with i'm not Are you sure yeah I don't

147:16 think I don't think I did say that i did

147:18 I do this like [ __ ] fugazy like

147:20 switcheroo some lexical Brazilian

147:22 jiu-jitsu yeah and I don't have to I

147:24 don't have to atone for my previous sins

147:26 anymore well I think in this case you

147:28 have an individual journalist who wrote

147:31 this story i do not know the history of

147:33 this individual journalist but what they

147:35 said is accurate and important so it's

147:38 good that the New York Times has

147:40 this come to Jesus moment where they lay

147:43 out hey the conspiracy theories were all

147:46 true that's what the title should be the

147:48 conspiracy theories were all true yeah

147:50 the shot wasn't effective yeah there

147:53 were therapeutics that were available

147:55 that were dismissed and that bad studies

147:59 were created in order to make sure that

148:01 people weren't taking these drugs

148:03 because we needed the emergency use

148:05 authorization and the only way you can

148:07 get that is if you have no treatment so

148:10 you had to rely on one thing and that

148:12 one thing was the vaccine and they all

148:13 participated in it how much do you think

148:16 uh New York Times with articles like

148:17 that uh Bezos coming out recently and

148:19 saying that there's this sort of balance

148:21 thing that he's got going on at the

148:22 Washington Post uh Zuckerberg's recent

148:25 sort of pivot with regards to

148:27 factchecking on Meta platforms how many

148:30 of those do you think would have

148:31 happened if there hadn't been a Trump

148:33 victory in November how much of this is

148:35 blowing with the wind do you think most

148:36 of it's blowing with the wind it's the

148:38 society society's decided we're done you

148:41 know this was Trump getting elected this

148:43 was Elon buying Twitter this was uh you

148:46 know and this is the blowback that

148:48 you're seeing these organized uh

148:50 protests and vandalism on Tesla

148:52 dealerships and keying PE they're

148:55 encouraging people people are there's

148:56 like there's so many videos of people

148:58 just smashing Teslas carving swastigas

149:01 into the side of Teslas because sentry

149:03 mode these cars all have sentry mode so

149:05 you can leave your Tesla parked and has

149:07 HD video of everything that's happening

149:09 all around it and it uploads it so you

149:10 can just see who did what yeah yeah yeah

149:12 you can watch it that's why all these

149:13 videos are out the all these videos are

149:15 out people extracted them from their

149:16 cars the video isn't published by the

149:19 riers the video is published by the

149:21 victims exactly [ __ ] yeah and there's

149:24 tons of people that have been arrested

149:25 for this now tons of people i don't know

149:28 what I mean i guess it's a way of trying

149:32 to protest against some person that you

149:34 don't like yeah but it's funded that's

149:36 what's crazy and it's all because what

149:38 Elon is doing with US Aid and what he's

149:41 doing with Doge the Department of

149:43 Government Efficiency is finding a lot

149:45 of inefficiency waste and fraud most of

149:48 it he believes is waste some of it is

149:50 fraud and it's a lot of there's a lot of

149:54 money that's going in directions it

149:56 shouldn't be going and then there's

149:57 stuff that's legal that probably

149:59 shouldn't be legal like non-government

150:00 organizations doing the bidding of the

150:03 government because they're funded by the

150:04 government there's certain things the

150:05 government is not allowed to do but a

150:08 non-government organization NGO can do

150:10 and what's an example of that well

150:12 regime change like the a lot of what

150:16 this money is going to it goes to

150:19 foreign countries where we have an

150:21 interest in having the people that are

150:23 running that country on our side or we

150:27 don't like them and we want to fund the

150:29 rebels and so you can fund the people

150:32 you can fund them through all sorts of

150:35 organizations where you hide and mask

150:37 the money and you move it around and you

150:39 have essentially blank checks and you

150:41 can just funnel billions of dollars all

150:44 over the world with no accounting mike

150:46 Benz is like the most prophetic person

150:48 of all time oh my god i mean he talked

150:50 about it on this podcast before Doge and

150:53 before us Aid and everybody was like "Oh

150:56 conspiracy theorists and this and that

150:58 and this guy." So he used to work for

150:59 the State Department what the [ __ ] does

151:00 he know apparently he knows everything

151:02 he knows all of it and he can spit it

151:04 out his recall is incredible and you

151:08 know that guy's got to be [ __ ]

151:09 terrified because he's out there

151:11 exposing he's he's essentially the guy

151:14 who led Elon to the coffin where the

151:17 vampire sleeps like this is where it is

151:20 it must be an odd situation to be in

151:22 because most of the time the level of

151:24 scrutiny that you're under and the level

151:26 of security threat that's likely is kind

151:29 of it goes in line with um status or

151:32 fame and that also goes in line with

151:34 maybe some resources too so as people

151:37 get uh more likely to be a target

151:40 they're also more able to perhaps be

151:42 able to protect themselves with uh

151:44 living in a nicer house gated community

151:47 yeah having security and stuff like that

151:49 but this is one of those weird

151:51 situations where your knowledge your

151:54 particular insight makes you so uniquely

151:58 vulnerable or such such a heavy target

152:00 but it hasn't come with the concordant

152:02 increase in status and resources that

152:05 would allow you to be able to actually

152:06 protect yourself right and this is I

152:08 guess the crisis of a whistleblower yes

152:12 yes whistleblower and investigative

152:13 journalists yeah i mean this is why

152:16 Julian Assange spent so much time in

152:17 jail i was just about to bring up Russ

152:20 yes uh have you you guys must have tried

152:22 to reach out to Yeah we reached out but

152:24 he doesn't really want to talk to

152:25 anybody right now which is totally

152:27 understandable he's got an open

152:28 invitation if he ever just says "Okay

152:31 I'd like to talk whenever." Yeah I'd

152:34 love to sit down and talk to him you

152:36 know I'd love to find the real story

152:37 because the the narrative and the you

152:42 know the documentary did docu drama that

152:44 was made about the Silk Road and what he

152:47 did you know I'd like to know how much

152:49 of that is [ __ ] because I think a

152:51 lot of it probably was you know I think

152:53 they were trying to set him up for sure

152:55 and uh I think there's probably some

152:58 things that he was accused of that

153:01 aren't accurate you know I'd like to

153:03 know isn't it funny that we always think

153:06 about conspiracy conspiracy theories all

153:08 of this stuff is always being in the

153:09 past and that when something is

153:12 unfolding right now I wonder how much

153:15 stuff is being ignored by the media but

153:17 will be studied by historians i wonder

153:20 wonder what that what would be that's

153:21 one of my my friends favorite questions

153:23 to ask what is being ignored by the

153:25 media but will be studied by historians

153:27 i certainly think that uh smartphone use

153:29 will be one of those you know there was

153:30 that um five deathbed regrets of the

153:33 dying um I wish I'd kept in touch with

153:35 my friends i wish I hadn't worked so

153:37 much i wish I'd allowed myself to be

153:38 happy i wish uh I'd lived the life I

153:40 wanted and not the life that other

153:42 people had for me blah blah

153:44 i would bet everything that I'm worth

153:46 that within the next couple of decades I

153:48 wish I'd spent less time on my phone

153:50 would be one of those no doubt 100% well

153:52 your your time is so valuable and how do

153:55 you have five extra hours a day well

153:58 look at your screen time and it'll save

154:00 five hours we were talking about this

154:01 before we got started that you have the

154:04 same number of hours that somebody did a

154:06 100 years ago but the average amount of

154:08 time that Americans spend on screens is

154:10 eight hours at the moment the average

154:11 time that they eight eight on screens

154:13 all screens the average time they spend

154:15 asleep is

154:16 6.5 so people are sleeping for one and a

154:20 half hours less than they spend their

154:21 time on their phone and and what are you

154:24 getting out of it well nothing tangible

154:26 it's so hard it's so hard it's so

154:28 addicting it's designed to be addicting

154:29 i mean you've had Tristan Harris on here

154:31 you know the way the variable schedule

154:35 reward that tempts you that keeps you

154:38 there you don't know what's going to

154:38 happen this is so interesting i had um

154:41 the guy who wrote uh Stuart Russell he

154:44 wrote the original AI textbook it's

154:46 translated into 70 languages around the

154:48 world he taught me this really

154:50 interesting thing about how the

154:50 algorithms work so we know the job of

154:53 the algorithm is to predict what you

154:54 want to click on right so what it wants

154:56 to do is get better at working out what

154:59 Joe likes on his YouTube feed or on his

155:01 Instagram feed or whatever but there's

155:02 actually two ways that it can become

155:04 more accurate at being able to predict

155:06 what you're going to click on the first

155:07 one is to be better at providing you

155:09 with things that you'll select the

155:11 second one is nudging your preferences

155:13 so that you are more easy to predict

155:16 because if you just give something the

155:18 optimizing function of cause Joe to

155:20 click on a thing and stick about like

155:23 clickthrough and watch time if you get

155:25 it to do that it'll just find any route

155:28 it's not bounded by and you must make

155:30 sure that it's his existing preferences

155:32 you can't change his preferences but

155:34 this is one of the reasons I think why

155:36 polarization has increased not just that

155:39 edge cases get used it pushes people

155:41 further apart they get put off into

155:43 their silos echo chambers recursive

155:45 stuff blah blah blah i think a big part

155:47 of it is just the algorithms find it

155:49 easier to be able to predict you which

155:51 gives them an incentive now it's it's

155:53 not like a conscious incentive but it

155:55 gives you this incentive to be pushed

155:57 out to the sides and there's this worry

155:59 about um I learned about this idea

156:00 called knowingness so polarization

156:04 everyone thinks it's a big deal and I

156:05 think it is it's a big problem but

156:07 knowingness is like

156:09 a an

156:11 uncurious intellectual insulation so

156:15 people believe that they know the answer

156:17 to the question before the question has

156:19 even been asked i know what the outcome

156:23 is i know what the answer is before

156:24 you've even asked me the question and

156:26 what's interesting about this uh

156:28 epidemic of knowingness we have at the

156:29 moment is if the problem is poor

156:32 information you can fix it typically

156:34 with better information i will give you

156:36 a better quality of information but if

156:37 the problem is

156:38 knowingness you are insulated from ever

156:41 updating your beliefs because no amount

156:43 of existing new information is going to

156:45 actually help you there's this really

156:47 cool quote that said uh most people

156:48 think that they are thinking when all

156:50 they are doing is rearranging their

156:51 prejudices

156:54 and I think uh they explains why the

156:56 culture war is so boring culture war is

156:58 largely super boring because both sides

157:00 act as if the facts are already settled

157:03 whilst not agreeing on the facts right

157:05 you know what I mean yeah yeah so how is

157:08 it that we've got to the stage where

157:10 people's their their prejudices just get

157:13 moved around until they can come up with

157:15 the outcome that they already wanted

157:16 before you even ask the question about

157:18 the thing that you're talking about

157:20 that's the situation we end up with and

157:21 I think it explains why I think it

157:24 explains why the the culture wars feel

157:26 so sy and nothing really ever seems to

157:29 move like it's not moved forward it goes

157:31 at such a snail's pace the news is

157:34 operating at light speed and the way

157:36 that we move forward with our conceptual

157:38 understanding of the world is moving

157:40 forward at a snail's pace well how are

157:42 these two things happening together

157:44 well it's technological advance right

157:48 technological advance is so much greater

157:50 and faster than biological advance this

157:53 is the scariest thing that leads us down

157:55 the road to AI is that as we are so

158:00 limited in our biological ability to

158:03 evolve biological evolution takes so

158:06 long cultural evolution takes so long

158:08 whereas technological evolution is

158:10 almost instantaneous

158:12 and we are being overrun by this thing

158:16 that's captivated our attention i was

158:19 talking about this the other I was like

158:20 imagine if there was a drug that made

158:21 you stare at your hand for 6 hours a day

158:23 he'd be like "Keep me the [ __ ] away from

158:25 that drug." But that's what your phone's

158:27 doing mostly you're getting nothing

158:30 occasionally you get a funny meme you

158:32 know if I looked at the amount of time

158:34 that I spend

158:35 online given day and how much of it is

158:38 really fascinating to me well every now

158:40 and then you get a story like that story

158:41 about the whole universe might be inside

158:43 of a black hole and then I'm on a

158:45 pyramid so there's this interesting

158:46 insight about that there's a few things

158:48 you'll get but I kind of feel like you

158:50 will get those if you're offline just by

158:53 other people being online they'll send

158:54 it to you like you you you're almost

158:56 better off you don't need to be the one

158:58 doing the the first pass scouring

159:00 exactly you your your your resources are

159:03 better utilized by not doing that did

159:05 you see that it was a guy

159:07 who removed people's phones from their

159:10 hands was a photographer who went around

159:12 I think it was maybe New York City and

159:14 he took photos of people and then uh

159:16 CGIed the phones out you know you're

159:18 talking about you'd imagine if there was

159:19 this thing and it made you stare at your

159:20 hand he actually did it so it shows just

159:23 how absurd it is you know you've got an

159:25 entire train carriage on the subway on

159:26 the underground and everyone's staring

159:28 at their hand and it's just people

159:29 staring down at their hands like this

159:31 and it it needs that to sort of throw

159:34 the absurdity into it but then on the

159:35 flip side if you don't live with your

159:37 parents you're in a different city you

159:39 work a job that you're not that enamored

159:40 by maybe your health's good maybe it's

159:42 not so good you're a little bit worried

159:43 about stuff you're kind of bored a lot

159:45 of the time you need to be sedated oh

159:47 there we go oh

159:50 wow all those people just sitting there

159:52 staring oh that's so crazy go back Jamie

159:54 go back up to that one as a kid

159:57 wow it wasn't that long this was 2015 in

160:01 2012 I started trying to take pictures

160:03 of people in public looking at their

160:04 phones and it wasn't that common then so

160:06 it wasn't that Well that's like when

160:08 social media kicked off in the beginning

160:11 no one was on it you'd see it it's like

160:12 most people weren't even on Twitter

160:14 they're like "Why would I be on that?"

160:16 And you know people were using it to

160:17 promote things and then they started

160:19 using it to elevate their profile and

160:21 then people became influencers and once

160:22 people became influencers and once

160:24 people like a a regular person you get a

160:26 couple of million followers then all a

160:28 sudden you get sponsors and you that's

160:30 your job now respect yeah and fame mhm i

160:34 remember when I was living in LA it was

160:37 right around the time that a lot of

160:38 these

160:40 um god what was it back

160:43 then what was the thing that was

160:46 like It wasn't Tik Tok vine vine yes

160:51 there's Yeah yeah it was Vine vine

160:53 influencers were the first and they were

160:55 famous so they'd go to restaurants

160:57 they'd be like "That's blah blah blah."

160:58 Like "Who's that?" Like "Oh he's got 35

161:00 million Vine subscribers." Like "What?"

161:03 It was bizarre because you seen just

161:05 regular people that would do antics or

161:08 cause scenes or do something to get

161:10 attention and they developed large

161:13 followings wasn't Isn't it the number

161:15 one job that primary school kids want is

161:18 to be a YouTuber or an influencer yeah

161:20 uh well they all watch them they all

161:21 watch people eat food and open up toys

161:24 and it's like very weird it's very weird

161:27 stuff because no one would have ever

161:29 predicted that that would be something

161:30 would captivate people's attention on a

161:32 television right there was no unboxing

161:34 shows on television but yet unboxing

161:36 shows on the internet are huge like

161:39 people get sucked into the most mundane

161:41 things someone opening up package oh

161:42 look at this here's the new phone yeah

161:45 unboxing in some ways I actually think

161:46 is quite satisfying i quite like

161:48 watching the people that have got the

161:49 here's the new MacBook M4 thing and it's

161:51 shot all nice and MKBHD you know like

161:54 watching watching him do his stuff is is

161:56 really great but but he also does a

161:57 comprehensive analysis of the tech it's

161:59 not just here's me playing with a new

162:01 Mac no it's an it's an he's doing a

162:04 review of state-ofthe-art you like where

162:08 where is technology currently and what's

162:10 what's the best version i think uh when

162:13 it comes to desiring a life looking at

162:15 okay what is it that I want you need to

162:17 be very very careful about what the

162:19 process is in order to get the outcome

162:21 that you want because if you want the

162:23 outcome but you're not prepared to live

162:24 the life needed to get it you're just

162:26 asking for disappointment yeah uh well

162:29 said my friend talks about Call of Duty

162:31 versus War and he talks you know you

162:34 think about this is what um going on

162:37 holiday to a place is and this is what

162:39 having to live there is like you can go

162:41 to somewhere and go it was lovely for a

162:43 week we were in the Congo yeah it was so

162:45 nice but you go what's it like if you

162:47 can't leave it's literally the

162:49 difference between being camping going

162:51 camping or being homeless right one is

162:54 an imposition and the other one is a

162:56 choice and I think that more young kids

162:59 need to realize what the reality of

163:01 being an influencer is like it's not

163:03 just going to the seells and uploading a

163:06 selfie or getting I don't know what they

163:08 do like Play-Doh [ __ ] jelly new video

163:10 games that's not what it's like look at

163:12 the Twitch streamers look at most of the

163:14 Twitch streamers they have got they are

163:16 like the [ __ ] grunts of the content

163:19 creation they are factories of content

163:22 eight hours a day five days a week just

163:25 straight just [ __ ] stream of

163:26 consciousness someone put something in

163:27 the chat and you go "Oh let's watch this

163:29 thing let's watch that thing." It's like

163:31 it is it's not if you do not want the

163:36 life that you need to get in order to

163:37 get the outcome that you're looking for

163:39 you need to be very very careful about

163:40 because the reality is war it's not Call

163:43 of Duty it's the same thing with being

163:44 in a band it's like I love the idea of

163:47 traveling the world and playing to these

163:48 big crowds and doing all the rest of

163:50 it's like okay you're going to have to

163:51 live in a van with four other sweaty

163:53 dudes for like half a decade first if

163:56 you're lucky at the bet and that's if

163:59 you've managed to break through you're

164:00 going to have to spend so long a decade

164:03 learning to play guitar you're going to

164:05 have to write songs that never see the

164:06 day of light you're going to have to do

164:08 all of this stuff and you have no idea

164:11 if it's going to work

164:13 there's this um I think about the gap

164:16 from where people are in a place that

164:18 they don't want to be until they get to

164:20 a place that they do and I think of it

164:23 like a lonely chapter so everybody that

164:26 has got from a place where they don't

164:28 want to be to one where they are there's

164:30 a point where they they're so different

164:32 that they can't resonate with their old

164:33 set of friends right but they're not yet

164:36 sufficiently developed that they've

164:38 created their new set of friends m and

164:41 there's this temptation to go back to

164:43 the old patterns the old ways of

164:45 thinking and this I did this live show

164:48 uh in London last year my first big

164:51 headline show at the event in Apollo in

164:53 London it was pretty cool and this idea

164:55 I think was one that really resonated

164:57 with a lot of people because everybody's

165:00 trying to grow and there is an incentive

165:02 for you to stay in the same place

165:04 because not that many people grow most

165:07 people don't change they make little

165:08 changes you know they'll cut their hair

165:11 or they'll lose 5 pounds or you know

165:13 they'll switch from one company to

165:16 another but how many people do you know

165:17 that have lost 50 pounds or move to a

165:20 different country or have genuinely

165:22 changed the way that they see the world

165:23 it's pretty rare it's not that common

165:25 and we are such mimemetic creatures

165:28 we're so shaped by the people around us

165:31 that we can't help but be tempted you

165:34 know you're going to have to do

165:35 something if you want to go from where

165:36 you are to where you want to be you're

165:38 going to have to do something that makes

165:39 you more different more weird more easy

165:41 to be mocked especially if you come from

165:42 a country like the UK where I'm from

165:44 being different's not particularly

165:46 celebrated in that way it's the sort of

165:48 thing that's quite easily mo there's a

165:49 big culture of piss taking and if you

165:51 start what are you talking to people on

165:53 the internet for that's [ __ ] weird

165:54 like that's that's stupid that's not

165:56 going to work why are you going to do

165:57 that so if you don't have that level of

165:58 enthusiasm there is no support around

166:01 you to tell you that the thing that

166:02 you're trying to do the the taking up

166:04 the martial art why you why are you

166:06 training this taekwond do [ __ ] like

166:08 you know [ __ ] six nights a week why

166:10 are you coaching all of these moms and

166:12 all of these like old guys on how to do

166:13 Tai Chi or whatever why are you doing

166:15 that well because maybe I'm sort of

166:18 pulled to it and there is this

166:20 temptation to go back to your old ways

166:23 of thinking go back to the road that you

166:26 already know how it's going to end and I

166:30 get the sense that this is not a bug it

166:33 is a feature it's a part of moving from

166:36 a place that you do not want to be to

166:38 one that you do and for the most part

166:41 you actually need to live through this

166:43 lonely chapter and you look at it and

166:44 you go "Well the [ __ ] Rocky montage

166:46 was 3.5 minutes for me it's been five

166:48 years where's the where's the

166:50 championship ring?" You know what I mean

166:51 i haven't won the fight where's Apollo

166:53 Creed none of this stuff's happened the

166:55 thing that I wish more stories talked

166:59 about if you watch it in the movies yeah

167:02 sure there's ups and downs in the

167:03 journey of the athlete that's going to

167:06 change his life around and and get the

167:08 girl but his self-belief never waivers

167:10 right he makes the decision and it's one

167:13 straight shot typically and there'll be

167:15 some challenges but he'll get there his

167:17 self-belief never waivers i don't think

167:19 that that's what the experience of doing

167:21 personal growth is like at all in my

167:24 experience it's you're just swimming in

167:29 uncertainty and and fear and a lack of

167:33 belief that it's even going to happen

167:34 you don't even have the promise of glory

167:36 on the other side of it i don't even

167:38 know if this is going to be worth it and

167:39 I'm [ __ ] doing Sam Harris's waking up

167:42 meditation app and I'm journaling on a

167:43 morning i'm going to the gym why am I

167:44 eating meat and fruit does this even

167:46 work like you know you're doing all of

167:48 this stuff trying scrabbling like a guy

167:49 in a [ __ ] well trying to find a

167:51 handhold and if you don't have a good

167:53 community of people that are also doing

167:54 that you're on your own

167:57 and this is most people I think most

167:59 people's experience because if most

168:01 people don't change you are going to be

168:03 an outlier if you're somebody who does

168:05 change i think about um personal growth

168:08 kind of like a a rocket ship taking off

168:11 and as you take off you've got a

168:13 particular velocity that you're moving

168:15 at and what you want is to find other

168:17 people moving at the same velocity as

168:19 you but the quicker that you move the

168:21 fewer people are going to be like you

168:22 right so some people will be ahead of

168:24 you and you're in this lonely chapter

168:26 and then you catch up to them and then

168:29 oh no and this isn't you know some

168:31 comment on people that work on

168:33 themselves are like morally better or

168:35 worse than anybody else but it's just a

168:37 stark sort of fact about you you you

168:41 talk to people and you resonate with

168:42 people that are at the same level of

168:43 life as you are and that kind of makes

168:46 sense you have things to discuss you're

168:47 encountering the same sorts of

168:48 challenges whether it's in terms of your

168:51 self-worth or your wealth or your

168:52 relationship status or all of these

168:53 things birds of a feather right and you

168:57 know one of the I guess difficult

168:58 realizations of people who want to

169:01 change their life is that if you do it

169:04 well you might have to go through a

169:06 period where you let go of all of your

169:08 friends but the really bad realization

169:10 is if you do it really well you might

169:12 have to do that multiple times

169:13 throughout your life you find a group of

169:15 people finally I've landed after oh that

169:18 period where I was I was on my own and I

169:20 didn't really understand oh [ __ ] i'm

169:22 still going i've over and I I now need

169:25 You mean I got to do it again i've got

169:28 to do it again i just thought that I'd

169:30 found my group and I've got to do it

169:32 again this lonely chapter thing is uh

169:35 it's a big deal and I think that it

169:37 explains why so few people make big

169:38 changes because the temptation is always

169:41 going to be to just go back to what's

169:42 normal go back to what I know and um

169:46 it's why you know America for all that

169:49 it's a horrible cis hetropatriarchal

169:52 superructure that's misogynistically

169:54 keeping everybody down it's an

169:56 enthusiastic and sort of excitable

169:58 country

169:59 and you guys have kind of got permanent

170:02 firstline cocaine energy about

170:04 everything and for me it seems to be a a

170:10 real infusing environment encourages me

170:13 to do things helps me to take risks it's

170:15 either that or get kicked in the head a

170:16 lot and um I just love it i I I love the

170:19 fact that it makes me feel confident in

170:22 doing difficult things and uh yeah I

170:25 wish that more people had that community

170:28 around them i think largely Reddit is

170:30 just a uh website filled with people who

170:33 couldn't find other people to talk about

170:34 their niche in their hometown like this

170:37 particular Oh there's a lot of that

170:38 right warhammer 40k version or whatever

170:41 yeah um but yeah it's it's difficult and

170:44 when you get to the stage where you're

170:46 faced with some personal growth decision

170:48 you're always going to have to make this

170:49 value exchange of do I want to move

170:52 forward on my own or do I want to go

170:54 back with my friends it's a good point

170:55 man chris always great to talk to you

170:58 brother really appreciate your insight

171:00 you're a very brilliant guy and you're

171:02 always you're fun to talk to i

171:04 appreciate you too man thanks for having

171:06 um the courage to put all your thoughts

171:08 out there and I love what you do i love

171:11 your show and uh you're awesome man

171:14 you're awesome too dude thanks for being

171:15 here every time that you bring me on

171:17 every time that we get to speak I really

171:18 appreciate it so thank you my pleasure

171:20 all right bye everybody

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Joe Rogan Experience #2293 - Chris Williamson

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